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India call centre selling customer info for as little as US $8
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Brit
2005-08-19 10:35:22 UTC
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Another BPO stain on India
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GH19Df01.html

In the latest serious allegation, the Australian Broadcasting Corp
(ABC) has said that employees of a Gurgaon-based call center are
selling personal information of thousands of Australians for as little
as A$10 (less than US$8) per person. ABC TV claimed that its reporters
were offered names, addresses, telephone numbers, birth details,
medicare numbers, driver's license numbers, ATM card numbers and even
passport information of 1,000 Australians.
ABC has been able to verify that the information belonged to real
people. Australia's Attorney-General Philip Ruddock has asked the
federal police to look into ABC's allegations. He said he was unaware
of any evidence of customers' details being sold, but wanted the
charges to be probed all the same. A worried NASSCOM (National
Association of Software and Service Companies) has expressed concern
and is also seeking details. "NASSCOM is concerned that such reports
emanate from 'entrapment operations' and no person has reported any
harm yet; in the absence of a formal complaint, [law] enforcement
officials cannot launch formal investigations and apprehend the
criminals," the premier Indian industry body said.


Never trust Hindu Baba(s)
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2005-08-19 11:51:11 UTC
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Well I guess that it is better to sell amounts rather then the 40 million
the American company leaked!
Post by Brit
Another BPO stain on India
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GH19Df01.html
In the latest serious allegation, the Australian Broadcasting Corp
(ABC) has said that employees of a Gurgaon-based call center are
selling personal information of thousands of Australians for as little
as A$10 (less than US$8) per person. ABC TV claimed that its reporters
were offered names, addresses, telephone numbers, birth details,
medicare numbers, driver's license numbers, ATM card numbers and even
passport information of 1,000 Australians.
ABC has been able to verify that the information belonged to real
people. Australia's Attorney-General Philip Ruddock has asked the
federal police to look into ABC's allegations. He said he was unaware
of any evidence of customers' details being sold, but wanted the
charges to be probed all the same. A worried NASSCOM (National
Association of Software and Service Companies) has expressed concern
and is also seeking details. "NASSCOM is concerned that such reports
emanate from 'entrapment operations' and no person has reported any
harm yet; in the absence of a formal complaint, [law] enforcement
officials cannot launch formal investigations and apprehend the
criminals," the premier Indian industry body said.
Never trust Hindu Baba(s)
Seeker
2005-08-20 04:40:32 UTC
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The only thing leaking is your ghand, you sack of shit.
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Well I guess that it is better to sell amounts rather then the 40 million
the American company leaked!
Post by Brit
Another BPO stain on India
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GH19Df01.html
In the latest serious allegation, the Australian Broadcasting Corp
(ABC) has said that employees of a Gurgaon-based call center are
selling personal information of thousands of Australians for as little
as A$10 (less than US$8) per person. ABC TV claimed that its reporters
were offered names, addresses, telephone numbers, birth details,
medicare numbers, driver's license numbers, ATM card numbers and even
passport information of 1,000 Australians.
ABC has been able to verify that the information belonged to real
people. Australia's Attorney-General Philip Ruddock has asked the
federal police to look into ABC's allegations. He said he was unaware
of any evidence of customers' details being sold, but wanted the
charges to be probed all the same. A worried NASSCOM (National
Association of Software and Service Companies) has expressed concern
and is also seeking details. "NASSCOM is concerned that such reports
emanate from 'entrapment operations' and no person has reported any
harm yet; in the absence of a formal complaint, [law] enforcement
officials cannot launch formal investigations and apprehend the
criminals," the premier Indian industry body said.
Never trust Hindu Baba(s)
Terry Lomax
2005-08-25 00:54:06 UTC
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Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Well I guess that it is better to sell amounts rather then the 40 million
the American company leaked!
Correction: the American company outsourced to India, so Hindus are to
blame for the security breach that compromised the accounts of over 40
million Americans.
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-25 01:06:29 UTC
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I would accuse you of pulling absurd "facts" out of your ass, but that
would assume that you have a separate mouth from your ass.

Adi Anant
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-19 12:09:52 UTC
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Wtf is this? Like you can't get this info from bribing an aussie call
center worker, huh?
these aussies are real pests. they will say or do any shit just to make
a buck.

Adi Anant
Morar
2005-08-19 12:19:35 UTC
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Post by Marcus Aurelius
Wtf is this? Like you can't get this info from bribing an aussie call
center worker, huh?
these aussies are real pests. they will say or do any shit just to make
a buck.
Adi Anant
This is a Paki under Brit burqa!
Hunter1
2005-08-19 12:26:01 UTC
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Post by Marcus Aurelius
Wtf is this? Like you can't get this info from bribing an aussie call
center worker, huh?
Funny, only seems to be happening in India in a big way though. We've
been running our own call centres for many years without these problems
before outsourcing to India, but since you only pay them peanuts I
suppose it's hardly surprising, but then as the saying goes, pay
peanuts, get monkeys. The HP Call Centre is living proof of this as any
IT professional well knows.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
these aussies are real pests. they will say or do any shit just to make
a buck.
Ain't Aussies working in the Indian call centres though is it... Moron.
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-20 05:40:32 UTC
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It was a lure and trap operation, moron.
Not one complaint from real customers has been reported. The only
criminals interested in trying such tactics are aussie reporters, it
seems.
I suppose the incompetent aussies need to create such scares just to
save their jobs. Truly pathetic. Want me to send someone over to bribe
info from an aussie call center worker? Like taking candy from a baby.

Adi Anant
Hunter1
2005-08-20 06:56:00 UTC
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Post by Marcus Aurelius
It was a lure and trap operation, moron.
Yes, it lured and trapped morons. You are dead correct. We should not
give our financial details to corrupt dishonest morons, so we should
avoid Indian callcentres. Glad you agree!
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Not one complaint from real customers has been reported. The only
criminals interested in trying such tactics are aussie reporters, it
seems.
Liar, pity reality doesn't agree with you.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
I suppose the incompetent aussies need to create such scares just to
save their jobs. Truly pathetic. Want me to send someone over to bribe
info from an aussie call center worker? Like taking candy from a baby.
Go ahead, you'll get nowhere. BTW, if it were that easy your Indian
press would have already done so, but they CAN'T! Damn shame huh?
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-20 12:07:20 UTC
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I see that last few years still haven't made any difference in your
inane rants.
Must be the aussie thing - being from a penal colony and all.

Adi Anant
Hunter1
2005-08-21 02:09:51 UTC
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Post by Marcus Aurelius
I see that last few years still haven't made any difference in your
inane rants.
Nope, I still squash you nazis where-ever I see them. Deal with it pussy.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Must be the aussie thing - being from a penal colony and all.
Better from an ex-penal colony of 200+ years ago than from the modern
day paedophile capital of the world. Shit you've got plenty to be proud
of between that, the caste system and your regular religious massacres
don't you!
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-21 03:38:13 UTC
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Nazis are infamous because the Jews found supporters. The Aborigines
did not, and few recall the horrible fate that befell these gentle
people. Are aussies any better than nazis? Or are they just benefitting
from their crimes being hidden from the world?

Adi Anant
Hunter1
2005-08-21 05:03:46 UTC
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Post by Marcus Aurelius
Nazis are infamous because the Jews found supporters. The Aborigines
did not, and few recall the horrible fate that befell these gentle
people.
a> Their culture is far from gentle liar. Just like any "old" culture.

b> The criminals that murdered Aboriginals in a bygone day are all dead
and dust, unlike the nazis of world war II or the Hindu nazis of India
such as yourself. They still are alive to pay for their sins, only
fuckheads like you protect them.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Are aussies any better than nazis?
Yep, Gujarat is in India, not Australia. That's where the nazis
periodically commit genocide in this day and age. Shame on India.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Or are they just benefitting
from their crimes being hidden from the world?
Much like the Aryans in relation to the Dravidians I suppose. You Hindu
nazis seem to make a sport of spotting the occasional bad thing in other
countries but pretend to ignore the horrible stench in your own country.
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-21 14:46:57 UTC
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Why Nazis still call Australia home
http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2001/451/451p27.htm

War Criminals Welcome: Australia, A Sanctuary for War Criminals since
1945
By Mark Aarons
Black Inc, 2001

"In the 1970s, the Nazi emigres became entrenched in the NSW branch of
the Liberal Party. Heading a powerful, extreme-right, pro-fascist
faction (dubbed the "Uglies") was Leo Urbancic, a senior Nazi
propagandist in Slovenia during the war. Such propaganda created a
climate that made the mass killing of Jews, communists and Allied
soldiers acceptable.

In 1961, when Liberal federal attorney-general Garfield Barwick
announced that the government had "closed the chapter" on war
criminals in Australia, an amnesty was in effect granted to Nazi
murderers."

"Australia remains the only Western country with a significant Nazi war
criminal problem which has no legislation to allow the deportation of
suspects for trial in their homelands. The Howard government did pass
legislation to deal with war criminals who arrived in Australia after
1997 (50 years behind the times as usual)."

"Today, as thousands of refugees fleeing tyrannies around the world
languish in Australian detention centres, they may well be wondering
why the red carpet was rolled out for right-wing murderers and what
this shows about the true colours of Australia's "democratic"
government."


Adi Anant
Seeker
2005-08-22 06:11:58 UTC
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Post by Marcus Aurelius
Why Nazis still call Australia home
Nazi's are Hindus in disguise. Hindus taught Nazis all about genocide and
racial superiority "secrets." So Adi Anant, you have no moral standing to
criticize Nazis as you are one of them.
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2005-08-26 08:07:25 UTC
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Post by Seeker
Nazi's are Hindus in disguise. Hindus taught Nazis all about genocide and
racial superiority "secrets." So Adi Anant, you have no moral standing to
criticize Nazis as you are one of them.
That is why the Koran tells Muslims to kill non-Muslims. Koran is the TRUE
NAZI MANUAL!
Hunter1
2005-08-26 15:38:03 UTC
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Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Post by Seeker
Nazi's are Hindus in disguise. Hindus taught Nazis all about genocide and
racial superiority "secrets." So Adi Anant, you have no moral standing to
criticize Nazis as you are one of them.
That is why the Koran tells Muslims to kill non-Muslims. Koran is the TRUE
NAZI MANUAL!
And lets look at the Hindu holy books huh?

Apastambha Dharma Sutra III, 10-26, says:
The tongue of a Shudra, who spoke evil about a BRAHMIN should be cut off
A Shudra who dared to assume a position of equality with the first three
castes was to be flogged. If a Shudra overheard a recitation of the
Vedas, molten tin was to be poured into his ears; if he repeated the
Vedas his tongue should be cut and if he remembered Vedic hymns, his
body was to be torn into pieces.


MANU, 167-272 says:
If a Shudra arrogantly teaches Brahmins Dharma, the king shall cause hot
oil to be poured into his mouth and ears.


Again, MANU, 167-272 says:
Let the king never slay even a Brahmin though he may have committed all
possible crimes.

And lets not forget that certain sick fucks reckon their religion gives
them the right to assume some women are born to be prostitutes..... And
the caste system... and... Well, some things are just fucked up and sick.
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-27 03:06:25 UTC
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Who said Manusmriti was a "holy" book?! It was one book of laws of an
ancient kingdom, and is not concerned with gods.
Perhaps you should go back to school and learn the difference between
past and present.
Oh, hell. Why waste their time on your single-celled brain.

Adi Anant
Hunter1
2005-08-27 03:28:44 UTC
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Post by Marcus Aurelius
Who said Manusmriti was a "holy" book?!
Now lets see, it's based on the laws of being Hindu, that makes it a
religious text. Or are you saying that the Dharma Sastras are not Hindu
religious law, and that you would be willing to say they're a load of
shit, you laugh at them, and no good Hindu would follow them??? Well are
you? Wouldn't want to show us that you're a lying prick would you? Go
on.... Tell us that you reckon the Dharma Sastras are only good to be
used as toilet paper.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
It was one book of laws of an
ancient kingdom, and is not concerned with gods.
It is concerned with people's place within the Hindu religion, and
dictates the way the Hindus of India live, or are you going to lie to us
all and say that the caste system is not still the way of life in India?

From one of your own people:

Dr B.R Ambedkar was born on April 14, 1891, of Mahar parents at Mahu in
former Indore state. Although he was well-versed in the Vedas and
Shastras, yet he turned against Hindu religion. His animosity sprang
from the treatment meted out to untouchables in the Hindu society. He
said: " The religion that does not recognize you as human beings, or
gives you water to drink, or allows you to enter the temples is not
worthy to be called a religion. The religion that does not teach its
followers to show humanity in dealing with its coreligionists is nothing
but a display of force. The religion that asks its adherents to suffer
the touch of animals but not the touch of human beings is not religion
but a mockery."
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Perhaps you should go back to school and learn the difference between
past and present.
Perhaps you should wake up to yourself and accept that your religion is
as full of hate (right now in the present, as proven by the many
atrocities committed by Hindus in the name of religion today in India)
as any other, Brahmin are you?
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Oh, hell. Why waste their time on your single-celled brain.
They wouldn't waste their time teaching me what I already know, and with
you they'd just flush you where you belong as a lost cause.
Hunter1
2005-08-22 22:12:21 UTC
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Nazism - Its Brahmanic Origin


by Kalimuthu Dhanasekaran


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The Vedas are veriably a fountain of poison that has periodically
infested the veins world with its dangerous dogmas. Ramaite apartheid,
Kautilyan totalitarianism and Brahmanic Fascism are some of the deadly
venom that Hinduism has spewed forth onto the world. Nazism is another
such deadly scourge invented by the Brahminist Vaishnavas that has
devastated the world. The Nazis adopted all their fundamental dogmas
from Hinduism. Besides the swastika, the Nazis adopted the Vedic
concepts of the superiority of the Aryan race and of course, apartheid.
Some of the more famous Indian Nazis are described below :

Madame Blavatsky -

The origin of Nazism can be traced back directly to Madame Blavatsky and
her Theosophical Society. Madame Blavatsky propounded the notion of the
superiority of the Aryan race, an idea derived from Vedic concepts of
varnashramadharma (apartheid). These were then used by the Thule Society
in Germany, which was the direct precursor of the National Socialist Party.

Savitri Devi -

She was born Maximiani Portas. 30 Sept. 1905 in Lyon, France, of Greek
and English parents. There she studied chemistry and gained a doctorate
in Letters. Travelling widely in Europe and Asia, mastering 7 languages,
including Bengali, her desire to uncover the lost knowledge of the
Aryans led her to India in 1932. She took the name Savitri Devi in
honour of the Indo-Aryan Sun goddess, and married a Brahman Aryan Sri
Asit Krisna Mukherji, who was editor of a pro-Axis Magazine, `The New
Mercury'.

Savitri Devi [ Savitri ] was an ardent admirer of Hitler, and considered
him an incarnation of God Vishnu. Hitler would have been a good addition
to the likes of Fascist Ram, who slaughtered thousands of innocent
Dravidians, and Krishna the Killer, who was responsible for the
Mahabharat War. This Anglo-Brahmin (remember her parents were
Greco-English ) settled in India, and played a great role in the spread
of Nazism from Anglo-Brahminist Occupied India to Germany.

In a 1980 article "Hitlerism & the Hindu World" published, in The
National Socialist, Savitri explained the basis of Esoteric Hitlerism
and related some of her experiences with the Hindus during the war.
Quoting Ramana Maharishi, "one of the greatest spiritual personalities
of modern India", the sage's reply to a question on Hitler was that "He
is a gnani" . Here is thus an unequivocal connection between the Hindu
fanatic Maharishi and Hitler. This `gnani', Devi explains, is a sage,
one who is fully conscious through personal experience "of the eternal
truths that express the Essence of the Universe." [ Nexus ] Indeed,
Hitler's extermination of Semitic Jews was merely a later re-enactment
of the Vedic Hindu-Aryan extermination of `Asuras' (Assyrians) and
`Panis' (Phoenicians).

Savitri Devi wrote, elaborating the Hindu origin of Nazism [ Nexus ] -

"Well did von Sebottendorff, founder of the famous Thule Society owe a
lot to his visits to India and his contacts with the Hindus conscius of
their Hyperborean traditions."
Of course, the most visible sign betraying the Hindu origin of Nazism is
the swastika -

" Devi naturally saw great significance in Hitler's choice of the
swastika as the symbol of NS; 'the visible link between Hitler and
orthodox Hinduism' ". [ Nexus ]
The Bengali Brahmin Asit Krishna Mukherji -

Another Anglo-Brahmin colonialist responsible for the rise of Hindu
Nazism was the White Bengali Brahmin Asit Krishna Mukherji. A.K.Mukherji
was an influential Indian Nazi, as described by Elst [ Elst ]:

" [ T ]he Bengali scholar Dr. Asit Krishna Mukherji (ca.1898-1977) and
his French-Greek wife Dr. Maximiani Portas (Lyon 1905- near London 1982)
alias Savitri Devi Mukherji, had made the AIT itself the alpha and omega
of their philosophy."
He interpreted the Aryan Invasion and the racist verses in the Vedas as
as the positive realization of the natural hierarchy between the races
achieved by the conquering Nordic Aryans on the dark-skinned natives.
This pandit was a "Brahmin conscious of his distant Nordic roots" and he
published a pro-Hitler paper, the New Mercury, a truly Hitlerian paper,
from 1935 until the British (deciding to over-ride the tremendous
opposition from the Anglo-Brahmin lobby) closed it down in 1937. He was
instrumental in establishing the links between the Axis representatives
and the Congress Nazi-Hindutva leader Subhas Chandra Bose, who formed
the Indian National Army (1943-45) under Facsist Japanese tutelage.

Besides A.K.Mukherji, Bengal has produced many fascist Brahmins. For
example, Bankim Chandra Chatterji, author of the communal `Bande
Mataram'. There are many other supporters of Hitler in India, and it is
only natural that Hindu fanatics should choose to emulate one who so
closely followed the Vedas !



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References
[ Elst ] - ` Zydenbos vs. Rajaram: a Case Study in Aryan Invasion
Polemic' , by Koenraad Elst, Leuven (Belgium), 21 April 1999.

[ Savitri ] - ` Hitler's Priestess: Savitri Devi, the Hindu-Aryan Myth,
and Neo-Nazism' , by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke;
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0814731104/kshatriyaA/002-1471806-7640853


[ Nexus ] - `Priestess of Hitlerism: Savitri Devi' , The Nexus, Realist
Publications, Paraparaumu Beach, New Zealand.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/3132/Savitri.htm ;
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1404/priestess.html ;


by Kalimuthu Dhanasekaran
Dalitstan Journal,
Volume 2, Issue 6 (Dec. 2000)
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Why Nazis still call Australia home
http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2001/451/451p27.htm
War Criminals Welcome: Australia, A Sanctuary for War Criminals since
1945
By Mark Aarons
Black Inc, 2001
"In the 1970s, the Nazi emigres became entrenched in the NSW branch of
the Liberal Party. Heading a powerful, extreme-right, pro-fascist
faction (dubbed the "Uglies") was Leo Urbancic, a senior Nazi
propagandist in Slovenia during the war. Such propaganda created a
climate that made the mass killing of Jews, communists and Allied
soldiers acceptable.
In 1961, when Liberal federal attorney-general Garfield Barwick
announced that the government had "closed the chapter" on war
criminals in Australia, an amnesty was in effect granted to Nazi
murderers."
"Australia remains the only Western country with a significant Nazi war
criminal problem which has no legislation to allow the deportation of
suspects for trial in their homelands. The Howard government did pass
legislation to deal with war criminals who arrived in Australia after
1997 (50 years behind the times as usual)."
"Today, as thousands of refugees fleeing tyrannies around the world
languish in Australian detention centres, they may well be wondering
why the red carpet was rolled out for right-wing murderers and what
this shows about the true colours of Australia's "democratic"
government."
Adi Anant
Docky Wocky
2005-08-23 04:09:40 UTC
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from hunter 1:

"The Vedas are veriably a fountain of poison that has periodically
infested the veins world with its dangerous dogmas. Ramaite apartheid,
Kautilyan totalitarianism and Brahmanic Fascism are some of the deadly
venom that Hinduism has spewed forth onto the world..."
____________________________
So when are they gonna start killing moslems?
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2005-08-24 08:56:10 UTC
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He is a Muslim! But denies it. I guess most Muslims would as it is such a
terrorist inspired "religion".
Post by Docky Wocky
"The Vedas are veriably a fountain of poison that has periodically
infested the veins world with its dangerous dogmas. Ramaite apartheid,
Kautilyan totalitarianism and Brahmanic Fascism are some of the deadly
venom that Hinduism has spewed forth onto the world..."
____________________________
So when are they gonna start killing moslems?
Hunter1
2005-08-24 23:26:30 UTC
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Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
He is a Muslim! But denies it. I guess most Muslims would as it is such a
terrorist inspired "religion".
Muslims tend to not drink you moron, yet you keep telling everyone I'm a
drunk. You as a self-admitted hindutva paedophile terrorist really
should learn to get your stories straight, when your lies continually
collide you tend to make yourself look foolish.
o***@fastmail.co.uk
2005-08-25 21:48:51 UTC
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Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
He is a Muslim! But denies it. I guess most Muslims would as it is such a
terrorist inspired "religion".
Dear Docky Wocky,

Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri aka Neil Ozman aka
Sunil Sethi is a type of Hindu terrorist called a "Vishnavite
bastard". He supports the Real IRA, and Islamicyst terrorism
against the West. Watch out! He makes threats against white
people, like this...


Item 0.

From: "Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri" <***@yahoo.com.au>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture­.british
Subject: Re: Hate crimes rising in UK
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:34:45 +1100
Organization: Customer of AAPT Pty Ltd
Message-ID: <cm4vb3$jga$***@news-02.connect.­com.au>

=Yes Clair you will see a rat anywhere
=after all it is in your interest to do
=so. We on the other hand want to give
=you bastard Brits. what you deserve
=for attacking our country. Your time
=is coming

_________________________________________

Example 1. Support for the Real IRA.

Neil Ozman/Sunil Sethi wrote in Msg-ID
= <9aca0k$***@merki.connect.com.au>
=
= "Thank God we have the REAL IRA, still fighting for freedom."
=
=
= Neil Ozman/Sunil Sethis wrote in Msg-ID
= <9ah9fs$***@merki.connect.com.au>
=
=[Of the Real IRA] " They in fact are hero's and are fighting
=for freedom from British SCUM! Who would believe a Brit. in
=any case, lies is 2nd nature to you bastards."
=
=
= Message-ID: <9ah92a$***@merki.connect.com.au>
= "This pomie bastard will never answer for the scum of the 2nd of
= world
= after the Muslims for their inhumane treatment of others. Bastard
= POMIE
= do not try to attribute other peoples remarks to me, I am reposting
= my
= remarks. I do support the REAL IRA, they like others want to get
= rid
= of
= British scum from their country"


Who is Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri/Neil Ozman/Sunil Sethi?


______________________________­___________


From: Sunil Sethi (***@onaustralia.com.au)
Subject: Re: ELIZABETH, KEEP OUT!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian, soc.culture.british
View complete thread (30 articles)
Date: 1997/09/03


'I remember when my cousin join the army he was a POM, when he
'went to war in the Falklands he was a POM. But when it came to the
'mermorial service his parents were asked to stand at the back of
'Westminister Abby as "they" wanted a traditional Pommie service. Good
'enough to die for the country but not good enough to be honoured.


______________________________­___________


From: Sunil Sethi (***@onaustralia.com.au)
Subject: Re: DIANA: Funeral Arrangements
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh, soc.culture.indian,
soc.culture.pakistan, soc.culture.bengali
View complete thread (20 articles)
Date: 1997/09/08


'I remember after the Falklands war, how non-whites
'were asked to sit at the back of Westminister Abbey
'because your people wanted a traditional memorial
'service. I also remember that Prince Charles, asked
'why non-whites were not guards outside of Buckingham
'Place, he was told because it is not tradition. But
'it is tradition to have them die on your battle fields.
'
'Further you nation continues to rewrite Indian history
'and make statements about Hinduism that are clearly
'untrue and full of lies.


______________________________­___________


From: Neil Ozman (***@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: GOOD News for RACIST UK FREAKS !
Newsgroups: uk.politics.misc, alt.politics.british,
soc.culture.pakistan, soc.culture.bangladesh,
soc.culture.indian
View complete thread (109 articles)
Date: 2001-06-30 05:43:06 PST

'
'7. No non-whites can parade or guard Buckingham Palace.
'8 . Falklands war! Non-white families were asked to site at the back
of
'Westminister Abby for the mamorial service because "we want a
traditional
'service". I know it happened to my family.
'9. Re-writing history of other nations to belittle those nations is a
'British art form.
'

______________________________­____________


From: Neil Ozman (***@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: London, Sunday: Stop the NF march to the Cenotaph!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian, soc.culture.british
View complete thread (21 articles)
Date: 2000/11/08


=Perhaps you anti-Nazi's need to look at the greater Nazism of your
=country!
=People can not forget the genocide your people committed the world
over
=and
=the occupation of other peoples lands. Your Nazi people are very apt
at
=hinding the achivements of Indians and other non-whites when it comes
to
=honouring the war dead. Like for example not having any mamorials to
=those
=dead, like telling the families of the dead of the Falklands war that
=they
=do not want coloured people to be in the Abby but to sit out of view
=because
=they want a traditional British service, I know because my cousin was
one
=of
=the dead and I also know you bastards are hypocrites.


This links Neil Ozman to Sunil Suthi, but Sunil sent me an
angry email ...


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=
= Where does the BBC report mention India? It mentions Asia! See below
= extract below for CNN report. Muslims are liars.

(excerpt)

and this appeared on Usenet here http://tinyurl.com/8qdha, linking
the name "Sunil Sethi" and email address <***@smartchat.net.au>
to the online identity Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri. Google shows the
email address ***@smartchat.net.au belongs to a Hindu Temple in
Canberra...

http://www.actco.org.au/hindutempleculturalcentre/

Sunil Sethi
Phone (BH) 02 6259 3057
Business Hours 9am to 5pm
Address Hindu Temple & Cultural Centre Canberra
81 Ratcliffe Crescent
Florey ACT 2615


The Hindu Temple states that one of its objectives is to
"To foster religious harmony, mutual understanding and respect for
religious views of others and promote universal brotherhood" :-)

______________________________­___________


Item 3. Support for Al Quaeda

From: "Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri" <***@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: Australia - Spreading the word of intolerance
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:34:17 +1000
Organization: Customer of AAPT Pty Ltd
Message-ID: <cll1hs$***@news-02.connect.com.au>


=Sure you Nazi bastard your kind have oppressed and
=killed the natives, did
=all you could to carry on with the white Australia policy.
=
=Australian pigs like Cunter
= The very best of Australians ;-)! ... dumb,
=stupid, racists, etc..

____________________________________________

From: "Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri" <***@yahoo.com.au>
Newsgroups: alt.computer.consultants,soc.c­ulture.indian
Subject: Re: Aussie customers unhappy with IT outsourcing quality:
KPMG:
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:06:10 +1100
Organization: Customer of AAPT Pty Ltd
Message-ID: <cn8k7h$***@news-02.connect.com.au>
=
=
=Don't worry soon more 9/11's will happen in
=America. Your hands are full as
=the Muslim hords will carry on attacking
=your kind. Now fuck of white cunt.

____________________________________________

From: "Neil Ozman" <***@yahoo.com.au>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.cultur­­e.indian
Subject: British IT workers want Indians to go home
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 08:18:19 +1100
Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd.
Message-ID: <a4ju4s$***@merki.connect.com.au>


=We Indians should remember what these bastards did to us
=and are doing, if you see a brit in India you know where
=to put the boot in!

____________________________________________


From: "Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri" <***@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: Quran's Teaching
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:38:50 +1000
Organization: Customer of AAPT Pty Ltd
Message-ID: <dcfea7$***@news-02.connect.com.au>
=
=There was no such Aid in fact India refused it.
=
=
=The west stole from our country in particular the Brits.
=
=
=I hope there are more attacks on u bastards ... u deserve it for
=supporting
=terrorists.
____________________________________________
Subject: Re: Violent Pakistani/Muslim crowds in England
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:10:09 +1000
Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd.
Message-ID: <9hga20$***@merki.connect.com.au>

=Yeap! They will try to take away the focus from the Muslims. After all



=the
=UK has been a fertile ground to recruite Muslim Terrorist for the
=terrorism
=in India and the Brits turned a blind eye to this for years! Now they
=have
=Pakistani terrorism in their homeland .......... great to see!

____________________________________________

From: "Neil Ozman" <***@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: British govt tolerates incitement to kill Jews
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:10:57 +1100
Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd.
Message-ID: <a3td0b$***@merki.connect.com.au>


=Never heard of British Jews wanting to harm any Muslim in England!
=Typically
=the Brits hide behind such stupid arguments to hide
=there love of Muslim
=Terrorism. Hopefully they will be paid a visit by Osma's men.

____________________________________________

Hope this helps!

Max
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Post by Docky Wocky
"The Vedas are veriably a fountain of poison that has periodically
infested the veins world with its dangerous dogmas. Ramaite apartheid,
Kautilyan totalitarianism and Brahmanic Fascism are some of the deadly
venom that Hinduism has spewed forth onto the world..."
____________________________
So when are they gonna start killing moslems?
--
From: "harmony" <***@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Indian woman dies on husband's pyre
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
I am proud to be a member of mommedan parliament.
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2005-08-26 08:08:37 UTC
Permalink
The only Nazi I know of are Muslim who fly planes into building, bomb
cities, rape, etc..
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
He is a Muslim! But denies it. I guess most Muslims would as it is such a
terrorist inspired "religion".
Dear Docky Wocky,

Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri aka Neil Ozman aka
Sunil Sethi is a type of Hindu terrorist called a "Vishnavite
bastard". He supports the Real IRA, and Islamicyst terrorism
against the West. Watch out! He makes threats against white
people, like this...


Item 0.

From: "Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri" <***@yahoo.com.au>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture­.british
Subject: Re: Hate crimes rising in UK
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:34:45 +1100
Organization: Customer of AAPT Pty Ltd
Message-ID: <cm4vb3$jga$***@news-02.connect.­com.au>

=Yes Clair you will see a rat anywhere
=after all it is in your interest to do
=so. We on the other hand want to give
=you bastard Brits. what you deserve
=for attacking our country. Your time
=is coming

_________________________________________

Example 1. Support for the Real IRA.

Neil Ozman/Sunil Sethi wrote in Msg-ID
= <9aca0k$***@merki.connect.com.au>
=
= "Thank God we have the REAL IRA, still fighting for freedom."
=
=
= Neil Ozman/Sunil Sethis wrote in Msg-ID
= <9ah9fs$***@merki.connect.com.au>
=
=[Of the Real IRA] " They in fact are hero's and are fighting
=for freedom from British SCUM! Who would believe a Brit. in
=any case, lies is 2nd nature to you bastards."
=
=
= Message-ID: <9ah92a$***@merki.connect.com.au>
= "This pomie bastard will never answer for the scum of the 2nd of
= world
= after the Muslims for their inhumane treatment of others. Bastard
= POMIE
= do not try to attribute other peoples remarks to me, I am reposting
= my
= remarks. I do support the REAL IRA, they like others want to get
= rid
= of
= British scum from their country"


Who is Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri/Neil Ozman/Sunil Sethi?


______________________________­___________


From: Sunil Sethi (***@onaustralia.com.au)
Subject: Re: ELIZABETH, KEEP OUT!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian, soc.culture.british
View complete thread (30 articles)
Date: 1997/09/03


'I remember when my cousin join the army he was a POM, when he
'went to war in the Falklands he was a POM. But when it came to the
'mermorial service his parents were asked to stand at the back of
'Westminister Abby as "they" wanted a traditional Pommie service. Good
'enough to die for the country but not good enough to be honoured.


______________________________­___________


From: Sunil Sethi (***@onaustralia.com.au)
Subject: Re: DIANA: Funeral Arrangements
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh, soc.culture.indian,
soc.culture.pakistan, soc.culture.bengali
View complete thread (20 articles)
Date: 1997/09/08


'I remember after the Falklands war, how non-whites
'were asked to sit at the back of Westminister Abbey
'because your people wanted a traditional memorial
'service. I also remember that Prince Charles, asked
'why non-whites were not guards outside of Buckingham
'Place, he was told because it is not tradition. But
'it is tradition to have them die on your battle fields.
'
'Further you nation continues to rewrite Indian history
'and make statements about Hinduism that are clearly
'untrue and full of lies.


______________________________­___________


From: Neil Ozman (***@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: GOOD News for RACIST UK FREAKS !
Newsgroups: uk.politics.misc, alt.politics.british,
soc.culture.pakistan, soc.culture.bangladesh,
soc.culture.indian
View complete thread (109 articles)
Date: 2001-06-30 05:43:06 PST

'
'7. No non-whites can parade or guard Buckingham Palace.
'8 . Falklands war! Non-white families were asked to site at the back
of
'Westminister Abby for the mamorial service because "we want a
traditional
'service". I know it happened to my family.
'9. Re-writing history of other nations to belittle those nations is a
'British art form.
'

______________________________­____________


From: Neil Ozman (***@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: London, Sunday: Stop the NF march to the Cenotaph!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian, soc.culture.british
View complete thread (21 articles)
Date: 2000/11/08


=Perhaps you anti-Nazi's need to look at the greater Nazism of your
=country!
=People can not forget the genocide your people committed the world
over
=and
=the occupation of other peoples lands. Your Nazi people are very apt
at
=hinding the achivements of Indians and other non-whites when it comes
to
=honouring the war dead. Like for example not having any mamorials to
=those
=dead, like telling the families of the dead of the Falklands war that
=they
=do not want coloured people to be in the Abby but to sit out of view
=because
=they want a traditional British service, I know because my cousin was
one
=of
=the dead and I also know you bastards are hypocrites.


This links Neil Ozman to Sunil Suthi, but Sunil sent me an
angry email ...


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<dc7co0$dpk$***@news-02.connect.com.au>
<***@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
<dcfea7$rgf$***@news-02.connect.com.au>
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=
= Where does the BBC report mention India? It mentions Asia! See below
= extract below for CNN report. Muslims are liars.

(excerpt)

and this appeared on Usenet here http://tinyurl.com/8qdha, linking
the name "Sunil Sethi" and email address <***@smartchat.net.au>
to the online identity Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri. Google shows the
email address ***@smartchat.net.au belongs to a Hindu Temple in
Canberra...

http://www.actco.org.au/hindutempleculturalcentre/

Sunil Sethi
Phone (BH) 02 6259 3057
Business Hours 9am to 5pm
Address Hindu Temple & Cultural Centre Canberra
81 Ratcliffe Crescent
Florey ACT 2615


The Hindu Temple states that one of its objectives is to
"To foster religious harmony, mutual understanding and respect for
religious views of others and promote universal brotherhood" :-)

______________________________­___________


Item 3. Support for Al Quaeda

From: "Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri" <***@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: Australia - Spreading the word of intolerance
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:34:17 +1000
Organization: Customer of AAPT Pty Ltd
Message-ID: <cll1hs$***@news-02.connect.com.au>


=Sure you Nazi bastard your kind have oppressed and
=killed the natives, did
=all you could to carry on with the white Australia policy.
=
=Australian pigs like Cunter
= The very best of Australians ;-)! ... dumb,
=stupid, racists, etc..

____________________________________________

From: "Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri" <***@yahoo.com.au>
Newsgroups: alt.computer.consultants,soc.c­ulture.indian
Subject: Re: Aussie customers unhappy with IT outsourcing quality:
KPMG:
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:06:10 +1100
Organization: Customer of AAPT Pty Ltd
Message-ID: <cn8k7h$***@news-02.connect.com.au>
=
=
=Don't worry soon more 9/11's will happen in
=America. Your hands are full as
=the Muslim hords will carry on attacking
=your kind. Now fuck of white cunt.

____________________________________________

From: "Neil Ozman" <***@yahoo.com.au>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.cultur­­e.indian
Subject: British IT workers want Indians to go home
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 08:18:19 +1100
Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd.
Message-ID: <a4ju4s$***@merki.connect.com.au>


=We Indians should remember what these bastards did to us
=and are doing, if you see a brit in India you know where
=to put the boot in!

____________________________________________


From: "Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri" <***@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: Quran's Teaching
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:38:50 +1000
Organization: Customer of AAPT Pty Ltd
Message-ID: <dcfea7$***@news-02.connect.com.au>
=
=There was no such Aid in fact India refused it.
=
=
=The west stole from our country in particular the Brits.
=
=
=I hope there are more attacks on u bastards ... u deserve it for
=supporting
=terrorists.
____________________________________________
Subject: Re: Violent Pakistani/Muslim crowds in England
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:10:09 +1000
Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd.
Message-ID: <9hga20$***@merki.connect.com.au>

=Yeap! They will try to take away the focus from the Muslims. After all



=the
=UK has been a fertile ground to recruite Muslim Terrorist for the
=terrorism
=in India and the Brits turned a blind eye to this for years! Now they
=have
=Pakistani terrorism in their homeland .......... great to see!

____________________________________________

From: "Neil Ozman" <***@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: British govt tolerates incitement to kill Jews
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:10:57 +1100
Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd.
Message-ID: <a3td0b$***@merki.connect.com.au>


=Never heard of British Jews wanting to harm any Muslim in England!
=Typically
=the Brits hide behind such stupid arguments to hide
=there love of Muslim
=Terrorism. Hopefully they will be paid a visit by Osma's men.

____________________________________________

Hope this helps!

Max
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Post by Docky Wocky
"The Vedas are veriably a fountain of poison that has periodically
infested the veins world with its dangerous dogmas. Ramaite apartheid,
Kautilyan totalitarianism and Brahmanic Fascism are some of the deadly
venom that Hinduism has spewed forth onto the world..."
____________________________
So when are they gonna start killing moslems?
--
From: "harmony" <***@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Indian woman dies on husband's pyre
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
I am proud to be a member of mommedan parliament.
Hunter1
2005-08-24 23:24:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Docky Wocky
"The Vedas are veriably a fountain of poison that has periodically
infested the veins world with its dangerous dogmas. Ramaite apartheid,
Kautilyan totalitarianism and Brahmanic Fascism are some of the deadly
venom that Hinduism has spewed forth onto the world..."
____________________________
So when are they gonna start killing moslems?
They already do, murder, rape, torture, mutilation, burning alive
etc.etc.etc. is what other religions can expect at the hands of hindutva
nazis, as has been shown on numerous occasions in the modern day in India.
o***@fastmail.co.uk
2005-08-26 00:11:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Docky Wocky
"The Vedas are veriably a fountain of poison that has periodically
infested the veins world with its dangerous dogmas. Ramaite apartheid,
Kautilyan totalitarianism and Brahmanic Fascism are some of the deadly
venom that Hinduism has spewed forth onto the world..."
____________________________
So when are they gonna start killing moslems?
They already did...


1. Gujarat


http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1906/19060040.htm
"APPEASING THE HINDU RIGHT


by SUKUMAR MURALIDHARAN
in New Delhi"


"Hindu mobs committed acts of unspeakable savagery against Muslims
this spring.


Mothers were skewered on swords as their children watched. Young
women were stripped and raped in broad daylight, then doused with
kerosene and set on fire. A pregnant woman's belly was slit open,
her fetus raised skyward on the tip of a sword and then tossed onto
one of the fires that blazed across the city.

The violence raged for days and persisted for more than two months,
claiming almost 1,000 lives."


2. Nazis in Poland
"Some of the soldiers looked very young, especially one who looked
as if he had just graduated from the Hitler Youth. Even the SS
uniform he was wearing seemed large on him. Suddenly, two Germans
appeared in an upper storey window and pushed it open. Seconds
later a naked baby was pushed over the edge and dropped to its
death directly into the truck below. We were in such shock
that at first few of us believed it was actually a live, newborn
baby. We thought it was an object of some kind until we saw another
and another being hurled out of the window and into the waiting
truck."


"The SS seemed to enjoy this bloody escapade. Just then the
youngest of the bunch asked his superior if it was all right
to catch one of those "little Jews" on his bayonet as it was
coming down. His superior gave his permission, and the young SS
butcher rolled up his rifle sleeve and caught the very next
infant on his bayonet. The blood of the infant flowed down
the knife onto the murderer's arm and onto his sleeve. He
tried his talent once more, and again he was successful in catching
the wailing child on his sharp bayonet."

Martin Gilbert, THE HOLOCAUST


Apparently that Muslim foetus mentioned above
was part of a Muslim mob that set light to a
train full of Extremely Hindu people.

http://tinyurl.com/8g783

`The high-level inquiry into the blaze in a
`train in Godhra in which 59 persons were burnt
`to death that led to subsequent violence in
`Gujarat in 2002 has found that it was an "accidental
`fire".
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-26 00:36:21 UTC
Permalink
And the moon is made of cheese, too.

Fuc*ing retard, get a brain.

Adi Anant
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2005-08-26 08:10:13 UTC
Permalink
<***@fastmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
?
Post by o***@fastmail.co.uk
They already did...
Thats good they are clean up the world of scum and pigs who drink camel
piss. What do you think the west is doing in Islamic cuntries? I love those
bombs being dropped in Afganistan, Iraq, soon it will be Iran!
Post by o***@fastmail.co.uk
1. Gujarat
http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1906/19060040.htm
"APPEASING THE HINDU RIGHT
by SUKUMAR MURALIDHARAN
in New Delhi"
"Hindu mobs committed acts of unspeakable savagery against Muslims
this spring.
Mothers were skewered on swords as their children watched. Young
women were stripped and raped in broad daylight, then doused with
kerosene and set on fire. A pregnant woman's belly was slit open,
her fetus raised skyward on the tip of a sword and then tossed onto
one of the fires that blazed across the city.
The violence raged for days and persisted for more than two months,
claiming almost 1,000 lives."
2. Nazis in Poland
"Some of the soldiers looked very young, especially one who looked
as if he had just graduated from the Hitler Youth. Even the SS
uniform he was wearing seemed large on him. Suddenly, two Germans
appeared in an upper storey window and pushed it open. Seconds
later a naked baby was pushed over the edge and dropped to its
death directly into the truck below. We were in such shock
that at first few of us believed it was actually a live, newborn
baby. We thought it was an object of some kind until we saw another
and another being hurled out of the window and into the waiting
truck."
"The SS seemed to enjoy this bloody escapade. Just then the
youngest of the bunch asked his superior if it was all right
to catch one of those "little Jews" on his bayonet as it was
coming down. His superior gave his permission, and the young SS
butcher rolled up his rifle sleeve and caught the very next
infant on his bayonet. The blood of the infant flowed down
the knife onto the murderer's arm and onto his sleeve. He
tried his talent once more, and again he was successful in catching
the wailing child on his sharp bayonet."
Martin Gilbert, THE HOLOCAUST
Apparently that Muslim foetus mentioned above
was part of a Muslim mob that set light to a
train full of Extremely Hindu people.
http://tinyurl.com/8g783
`The high-level inquiry into the blaze in a
`train in Godhra in which 59 persons were burnt
`to death that led to subsequent violence in
`Gujarat in 2002 has found that it was an "accidental
`fire".
Hunter1
2005-08-26 15:43:37 UTC
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Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Post by o***@fastmail.co.uk
They already did...
Thats good they are clean up the world of scum and pigs who drink camel
piss.
As opposed to pigs that drink cow-piss??? Had a T-Bone for dinner,
slaughtered cow makes for good steaks. Moo. But I don't drink its' piss
like you do.

All upset now??? Perhaps you should think first before throwing bricks
from glass houses then you fucking moron.
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-23 06:13:12 UTC
Permalink
Why Nazis still call Australia home
http://www.greenleft.org.au/ba ck/2001/451/451p27.htm

War Criminals Welcome: Australia, A Sanctuary for War Criminals since
1945
By Mark Aarons
Black Inc, 2001

"In the 1970s, the Nazi emigres became entrenched in the NSW branch of
the Liberal Party. Heading a powerful, extreme-right, pro-fascist
faction (dubbed the "Uglies") was Leo Urbancic, a senior Nazi
propagandist in Slovenia during the war. Such propaganda created a
climate that made the mass killing of Jews, communists and Allied
soldiers acceptable.

In 1961, when Liberal federal attorney-general Garfield Barwick
announced that the government had "closed the chapter" on war
criminals in Australia, an amnesty was in effect granted to Nazi
murderers."

"Australia remains the only Western country with a significant Nazi war
criminal problem which has no legislation to allow the deportation of
suspects for trial in their homelands. The Howard government did pass
legislation to deal with war criminals who arrived in Australia after
1997 (50 years behind the times as usual)."

"Today, as thousands of refugees fleeing tyrannies around the world
languish in Australian detention centres, they may well be wondering
why the red carpet was rolled out for right-wing murderers and what
this shows about the true colours of Australia's "democratic"
government."

Adi Anant
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-23 06:37:15 UTC
Permalink
Australia and the Holocaust: A Koori Perspective

http://www.kooriweb.org/gst/genocide/essayhol.html

"the first group in Australia to try and lodge a formal protest with
the German government's representative about the persecution of the
German Jewish community, were a group of Koori political activists
representing a people who, in the previous hundred years, had
themselves been subject to genocide, and in 1938 were (like Germany's
Jewish people) denied citizenship. Furthermore, Aboriginal people had
also been labelled by a white supremacist society as 'subhuman',
and subjected to scientific research to establish if they were closer
to apes than humans. They had also had experience of the concentration
camps that white Australia had created to contain them, and which were
later used in the notorious 'assimilation program' designed to
'eliminate' the 'crossbreeds', 'half-castes',
'octoroons' and 'quadroons'. The 'full-bloods' were assumed
to be 'dying out' thus resolving that aspect of the Aboriginal
'problem'."

"were there similarities between Nazi racial theories and those
subscribed to by most Anglo-Australians during the 1930s and which had
produced in this country a history of genocide, and white- supremacist
attitudes that were the foundation blocks of the Federation of
Australia?"

"...a new policy emerged dubbed, 'Smooth the Dying Pillow', it was
based on the assumption that what was left of the Aboriginal populace
would now die out. So whilst indiscriminate killings of Aborigines were
to continue well into the 1930's, the widespread genocidal activity
of early 'settlement' gave way to a policy of containment."

"In Australia Social Darwinism was also very popular, especially among
the scientific community. Andrew Markus has said, 'one doesn't have
to read extensively to discern that a central concern of anatomists was
to establish whether Aborigines were closer to the animal than
human'. The Elder Professor of Anatomy at the University of Adelaide
in 1926 said that Aborigines were, 'too low in the scale of
humanity' to benefit from 'the civilising influence of Anglo Saxon
rule'. In the 1920's and 30's Australia's Aborigines were a
treasure trove of curiosity for scientists and academics who believed
that here was the 'missing link' species that would advance the
cause of Social Darwinism. Consequently, thousands of Koori peoples in
communities all over Australia, were subjected to the whims of
'scientists' interested in such things as similarities between
Aborigines and Chimpanzees, brain capacity and cranium size (one study
in 1920 concluded that, 'the average brain capacity of Aborigines was
between the normal medium intelligence of twelve or thirteen year old
children') This Australian fascination with racial theories,
phrenology and eugenics, closely mirrors a similar obsession with
identical notions by German society of the same period in relation to
the Jews."

"These cartoons are almost identical in their intent and effect to the
racist caricatures that were to be a regular feature of Der Sturmer and
other Nazi propaganda of the 1930's. "

Have the aussies lost their love for the nazis? Don't bet on it:

Why Nazis still call Australia home
http://www.greenleft.org.au/ba ck/2001/451/451p27.htm

War Criminals Welcome: Australia, A Sanctuary for War Criminals since
1945
By Mark Aarons
Black Inc, 2001

"In the 1970s, the Nazi emigres became entrenched in the NSW branch of
the Liberal Party. Heading a powerful, extreme-right, pro-fascist
faction (dubbed the "Uglies") was Leo Urbancic, a senior Nazi
propagandist in Slovenia during the war. Such propaganda created a
climate that made the mass killing of Jews, communists and Allied
soldiers acceptable.

In 1961, when Liberal federal attorney-general Garfield Barwick
announced that the government had "closed the chapter" on war
criminals in Australia, an amnesty was in effect granted to Nazi
murderers."

"Australia remains the only Western country with a significant Nazi war
criminal problem which has no legislation to allow the deportation of
suspects for trial in their homelands. The Howard government did pass
legislation to deal with war criminals who arrived in Australia after
1997 (50 years behind the times as usual)."

"Today, as thousands of refugees fleeing tyrannies around the world
languish in Australian detention centres, they may well be wondering
why the red carpet was rolled out for right-wing murderers and what
this shows about the true colours of Australia's "democratic"
government."

Adi Anant
Hunter1
2005-08-24 23:47:21 UTC
Permalink
Yawnnn.... Is that all you've got??



TORTURE AND GENOCIDE OF THE SIKHS IN MODERN DAY INDIA
http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:U71ROt-mCBMJ:www.khalistan.net/genocide.htm+sikh+genocide+india&hl=en


Torture and Genocide of the Sikhs

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Politics of Violence and State Repression

It is axiomatic that when the Constitution is grossly violated,
judiciary is throttled, justice is denied and large scale brutalities
are committed on a particular community, there is bound to be
retaliation against the perpetrators unless, of course, its will is
broken and is no longer able to fight back. But, despite all
anticipations and the all-out state onslaught for years, the Sikh morale
and will to fight for their freedom have not suffered. Knowledgeable
people say that no other community could have stood up so boldly against
such heavy odds. Military action, deployment of hundreds of paramilitary
companies, imported governors, administrators and police officers from
other states who had an established track record of exceeding their
mandate and call of duty, legislating dreaded black laws, preventing
foreigners and human rights organizations like Amnesty International
from entering Punjab and numerous other overt and covert actions have
been devised to break the community. These are some of the ways ushering
in the era of the politics of violence.

In addition to the Indian Congress Party and its government’s complete
right-about-turn in respect of commitments made to the Sikhs before
Independence, a grand design was also hatched to bring the Sikhs to
heel. Its first ugly manifestation was when the government of Haryana
headed by Bhajan Lal, in league with the Centre, used its police and
hired goondas to assault, kill and humiliate the Sikhs who happened to
be going to Delhi on the eve of the 1982 Asian Games. The excuse was the
Akalis’ statement of a peaceful demonstration to bring to the notice of
the international community the gross violations of human rights
vis-a-vis the Sikhs. No one was spared irrespective of age and status
including retired and serving senior civil and military officers,
judges, lawyers, ex-ministers, women and children. In many cases their
hair - held sacred by the Sikhs - was cut off. Forcible shearing means
the worst humiliation for a baptized Sikh. Some saved themselves by
hiding in the fields during the day and traveling at night to places of
safety. A number of Gurdwaras in towns and villages of Haryana were
desecrated. In keeping with the government’s tradition of partisan
politics, no culprit was punished.

Some hard lessons were however learnt through this single episode.
Haryana Chief Minister Bhajan Lal earned a special approbation from the
Indira Gandhi government. The police and the hired anti-social elements
were rewarded for committing these crimes. They felt encouraged that
violence against the Sikhs in the future would be a profitable pursuit.
Consequently, the Sikhs outside Punjab felt insecure and unprotected.

Some other aspects of this very first pre-planned violence against the
life and dignity of the Sikhs came into focus:

there was no retaliation by the Sikhs in the Punjab where they could
easily have indulged in revenge killings;
in practical terms, the law of the land could be dispensed with while
dealing with a minority community;
willingness of the security forces to undertake utterly unlawful
missions at the behest of the ruling clique and thus subverting their
discipline; and
anti-social elements can be pressed into service to do the dirty work.
Operations "Bluestar" and "Woodrose" were massive acts of state
terrorism. That these operations were conceived as part of the grand
design has already been placed on record. Evidently, their sole purpose
could be to reduce Sikhs to servility. Genocide of the Sikhs on the
pretext of Indira Gandhi’s assassination in November 1984 was an even
bigger exercise in state brutality. An estimated 15,000 Sikhs were mowed
down in Delhi and other Congress ruled states in the country. The
government’s official figure of 3,000 killed in Delhi is absurdly low
that seeks to reduce the gravity of the crime.

Ever since, state repression has been systematically practiced with
Punjab as its primary field of operation. It has been kept out of bounds
to foreigners lest the truth about the scale of atrocities and total
violation of human rights gets known to the outside world. Lately, under
pressure from within and outside the country this restriction has been
relaxed in some parts as a "concession" under the Punjab package which
is otherwise an eye wash. But that has made little difference in the
government policy and police excesses. There is no letup in the killings
by the security personnel and the anti-social elements hired for the
purpose. People are randomly and systematically picked up and lodged in
police stations, interrogation centres (which are in fact, torture
chambers) and prisons. In most cases no official report is lodged or it
is delayed indefinitely which gives flexibility to the police to extort
money or finish off the "culprits" in faked encounters.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Australia and the Holocaust: A Koori Perspective
http://www.kooriweb.org/gst/genocide/essayhol.html
"the first group in Australia to try and lodge a formal protest with
the German government's representative about the persecution of the
German Jewish community, were a group of Koori political activists
representing a people who, in the previous hundred years, had
themselves been subject to genocide, and in 1938 were (like Germany's
Jewish people) denied citizenship. Furthermore, Aboriginal people had
also been labelled by a white supremacist society as 'subhuman',
and subjected to scientific research to establish if they were closer
to apes than humans. They had also had experience of the concentration
camps that white Australia had created to contain them, and which were
later used in the notorious 'assimilation program' designed to
'eliminate' the 'crossbreeds', 'half-castes',
'octoroons' and 'quadroons'. The 'full-bloods' were assumed
to be 'dying out' thus resolving that aspect of the Aboriginal
'problem'."
"were there similarities between Nazi racial theories and those
subscribed to by most Anglo-Australians during the 1930s and which had
produced in this country a history of genocide, and white- supremacist
attitudes that were the foundation blocks of the Federation of
Australia?"
"...a new policy emerged dubbed, 'Smooth the Dying Pillow', it was
based on the assumption that what was left of the Aboriginal populace
would now die out. So whilst indiscriminate killings of Aborigines were
to continue well into the 1930's, the widespread genocidal activity
of early 'settlement' gave way to a policy of containment."
"In Australia Social Darwinism was also very popular, especially among
the scientific community. Andrew Markus has said, 'one doesn't have
to read extensively to discern that a central concern of anatomists was
to establish whether Aborigines were closer to the animal than
human'. The Elder Professor of Anatomy at the University of Adelaide
in 1926 said that Aborigines were, 'too low in the scale of
humanity' to benefit from 'the civilising influence of Anglo Saxon
rule'. In the 1920's and 30's Australia's Aborigines were a
treasure trove of curiosity for scientists and academics who believed
that here was the 'missing link' species that would advance the
cause of Social Darwinism. Consequently, thousands of Koori peoples in
communities all over Australia, were subjected to the whims of
'scientists' interested in such things as similarities between
Aborigines and Chimpanzees, brain capacity and cranium size (one study
in 1920 concluded that, 'the average brain capacity of Aborigines was
between the normal medium intelligence of twelve or thirteen year old
children') This Australian fascination with racial theories,
phrenology and eugenics, closely mirrors a similar obsession with
identical notions by German society of the same period in relation to
the Jews."
"These cartoons are almost identical in their intent and effect to the
racist caricatures that were to be a regular feature of Der Sturmer and
other Nazi propaganda of the 1930's. "
Why Nazis still call Australia home
http://www.greenleft.org.au/ba ck/2001/451/451p27.htm
War Criminals Welcome: Australia, A Sanctuary for War Criminals since
1945
By Mark Aarons
Black Inc, 2001
"In the 1970s, the Nazi emigres became entrenched in the NSW branch of
the Liberal Party. Heading a powerful, extreme-right, pro-fascist
faction (dubbed the "Uglies") was Leo Urbancic, a senior Nazi
propagandist in Slovenia during the war. Such propaganda created a
climate that made the mass killing of Jews, communists and Allied
soldiers acceptable.
In 1961, when Liberal federal attorney-general Garfield Barwick
announced that the government had "closed the chapter" on war
criminals in Australia, an amnesty was in effect granted to Nazi
murderers."
"Australia remains the only Western country with a significant Nazi war
criminal problem which has no legislation to allow the deportation of
suspects for trial in their homelands. The Howard government did pass
legislation to deal with war criminals who arrived in Australia after
1997 (50 years behind the times as usual)."
"Today, as thousands of refugees fleeing tyrannies around the world
languish in Australian detention centres, they may well be wondering
why the red carpet was rolled out for right-wing murderers and what
this shows about the true colours of Australia's "democratic"
government."
Adi Anant
o***@fastmail.co.uk
2005-08-25 21:17:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Australia and the Holocaust: A Koori Perspective
http://www.kooriweb.org/gst/genocide/essayhol.html
Interesting tactic, to call the Australians, who fought
Hitler 'Nazis' - reminds me of the Rabid Right calling Jews
"Zionazis". I remind readers that there was a time when the
left allied itself with Hitler through the Molotov-Ribbentrop
Pact. Apparently the far far far left are as adept with their
pretzel logic as ever.

http://www.newcriterion.com/archive/20/sept01/keith.htm

As a preview to the Sydney Olympic Games last September, The Wall
Street Journal ran a front-page story about the great issue it said was
dividing the Australian nation, the treatment of its Aboriginal people.
The two journalists who wrote the story opened with an account of an
incident near Hobart in Tasmania in 1804 when British soldiers fired on
a party of Aboriginal men, women, and children, who were out hunting
kangaroos and armed only with clubs. This was "the opening shot in a
war that would result in the near-extermination of Tasmanian
Aborigines," the journalists wrote. "Some of the 50 or so killed
that day were salted down and sent to Sydney as anthropological
curiosities."

The fate of the indigenous Tasmanians is today frequently described in
the liberal media as an example of British imperial genocide. This is
because they were a distinct ethnic group, physically different from
mainland Aborigines, and their last full-blooded member died in 1876.
To underline the political reach of these events, The Wall Street
Journal quoted the current federal senator for the Greens Party, Bob
Brown: "We have to come to grips with our horrendous past," he
said, "and nowhere is it worse than in Tasmania."

The New York Times took a similar approach. The day after the Sydney
Games began it published an editorial entitled "The Other
Australia," which admonished the country for its treatment of its
Aboriginal people and recounted the horrors of its history. The
editorial, which was reprinted around the world in the International
Herald Tribune, said:

The Aboriginal experience is depressingly similar to that of Native
Americans in the United States. European settlers viciously drove the
Aborigines from their land, massacring thousands with impunity.
At the same time, another article on this subject was syndicated to
English-language newspapers around the world. This was written by Ben
Kiernan, the A. Whitney Griswold Professor of History and Director of
the Genocide Studies Program at Yale University. (My copy of his
article came from the Bangkok Post.) Kiernan is an expatriate
Australian, best known for his books on the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia.
Despite his academic credentials, Kiernan made no pretense to treat his
topic dispassionately. Entitled "Australia's Aboriginal
Genocides," his story was replete with terminology such as "ethnic
cleansing" and "transit camps" designed to draw comparisons with
the practices of Nazi Germany and contemporary Yugoslavia.

Kiernan wrote of British colonists in the nineteenth century mounting
"punitive expeditions" and committing "hundreds of massacres."
In the Gippsland district of Victoria, for instance, "a series of
horrendous massacres" reduced the Aboriginal population from 2000 to
126, he said. In Central Australia, he claimed, 40 percent of the
indigenous population had been shot dead. In northern Queensland, the
Aborigines "were hunted like wild beasts, having lived for years in a
state of absolute terror of white predators." He also recorded the
same 1804 incident at Hobart described in The Wall Street Journal,
putting the total killed at forty. Among a long list of atrocities
since the 1790s, Kiernan noted that as late as 1926 whites shot and
burned to death 100 Aborigines at Forrest River in Western Australia.
"The two police officers involved were acquitted and promoted." All
told, Kiernan wrote, 20,000 Aborigines were killed resisting the
British occupation of Australia between 1788 and 1901.

The desire by Australian authors to portray the history of race
relations in their country in the blackest terms possible reached its
nadir in a book by the journalist Phillip Knightley, Australia: A
Biography of a Nation, published in London last year. Knightley,
another expatriate who was a member of the famous team of investigative
journalists on the London Sunday Times in the 1960s, devoted a chapter
of his book to "Black Australia." He agreed that the story amounted
to "genocide," and he drew what he called "striking parallels"
between the Holocaust and the fate of the Aborigines.

Defeated in the Aboriginal Wars of the nineteenth century, they had
become a forgotten race, reviled, murdered, harassed, discriminated
against, and subject to cruel and unusual punishments. It remains one
of the mysteries of history that Australia was able to get away with a
racist policy that included segregation and dispossession and bordered
on slavery and genocide, practices unknown in the civilized world in
the first half of the twentieth century until Nazi Germany turned on
the Jews in the 1930s.
Instead of Kiernan's death toll of 20,000, Knightley claimed the
number of Aborigines killed in the "wars and massacres" of the past
two centuries was much higher. "Experts I have consulted say that
50,000 would not be an exaggeration. It could be as high as 100,000."
This is from a total pre-colonial indigenous population of about
300,000. Yet until recently, Knightley noted, very few outsiders were
aware of the scale of the carnage. "It is amazing that Australians
managed to keep from the rest of the world the fact that they were
massacring the Aboriginals."

Almost without dissent, the Australian liberal intelligentsia has taken
this story to heart. The Wall Street Journal is correct in saying that
it is now the most divisive issue in the nation. On the one side stand
the media, the arts community, the Labor Party parliamentary
opposition, almost all academics, and a large proportion of the
judiciary who accept this account of Australia's past. On the other
side is the conservative prime minister, John Howard, and many of his
constituents and supporters who argue that, even if true, the events
happened so long ago that current generations cannot be held
responsible for them. Howard's opponents, however, blame all the
current problems faced by outback Aboriginal communities-chronic
alcoholism, petrol sniffing, heroin addiction, domestic violence,
unemployment, and appalling health and education standards-on their
dispossession from tribal lands and the subsequent loss of their
traditional hunter-gatherer culture. Howard has faced enormous public
pressure to issue a formal apology over the issue and thus open the way
to large-scale claims for compensation, but so far he has refused.

In the 1990s, the High Court of Australia made two decisions that meant
large tracts of the continent would be turned into "native title,"
a new form of property that could be held only by people of indigenous
descent. One of the judges who made these decisions, Sir William Deane,
the recently retired Governor-General of Australia, based much of his
argument on the writings of Australian historians who had shown the
nation, he said, that it had inherited "a legacy of unutterable
shame."

Despite the certainty with which such pronouncements have been made,
and despite the political weight they carry, the body of historical
work from which they derive is actually very small. The history of
relations between Aborigines and British colonists only began to be
taken seriously at an academic level in the 1970s. Claims about
large-scale massacres and of a death toll in the tens of thousands date
from the 1980s and, in fact, derive largely from the work of one
historian, Henry Reynolds, and his book The Other Side of the Frontier
(1981). Reynolds and his colleagues have generated a number of academic
followers and have established an intellectual framework within which
most research on the subject has since been done.

Like several of his supporters who now hold prominent chairs of history
at Australian universities, Reynolds was a member of the generation of
Sixties radicals. He remains a political activist today and recently
wrote Aboriginal Sovereignty, a book that has inspired the leading
black radicals in the Aboriginal movement. The book argues for a
separate Aboriginal state governed by Aboriginal laws where traditional
Aboriginal culture can flourish. It identifies with the international
"first peoples" political movement that wants independence from
imperial domination for all indigenous cultures and which is currently
working through the United Nations to achieve that end. In Australia,
the current overt demand is for a treaty with the rest of the country.
For public consumption in the media, the activists justify a treaty
simply on the grounds of "rectifying past injustices." In writings
addressed to their own supporters, however, they see a treaty
establishing the grounds for a separate state and government.

In other words, what we have here is a version of Australian history
designed to serve highly politicized ends. To date, it has largely been
accepted without demur, except by a handful of older historians such as
Geoffrey Blainey, who has labelled it "black armband history." And
yet, in terms of acceptable scholarship, it has very little to
recommend it. When it is closely examined, much of the evidence for the
claims about massacres, terrorism, and genocide turns out to be highly
suspect. Most of it is very poorly founded, other parts are seriously
mistaken, and a good deal of it is outright fabrication.

Let me give an idea of the nature of the debate with two specific
examples. The first is the 1804 incident at Hobart. The British
officers who were there at the time said a settler and his wife had
been surrounded in their hut and threatened by more than 200 Aborigines
armed with spears. Soldiers from a nearby camp came to the rescue and
shot, at most, three people. One native man was killed on the spot,
another's body was found in a nearby valley, and a third was led away
by his companions bleeding from wounds. These officers had no
ostensible reason to lie in their reports or to downplay the conflict.
They were only doing their duty. At a government inquiry in 1830,
however, a former convict testified that in 1804 he thought "forty to
fifty" blacks had been killed, even though he acknowledged he had not
been at the scene at the time.

Despite this claim being no more than a rumour twenty-six years after
the event, it has allowed those historians who want to beat up this
issue to say that witnesses have claimed "up to fifty" Aborigines
were killed in this incident. Hence, when translated into general works
of history and into the press, a defensive action with three adult male
casualties has become a massacre of fifty innocent men, women, and
children. The Wall Street Journal's claim that the bodies were
"salted down" and sent to Sydney for anthropological investigation
is another rumor first made in 1830 that had no contemporary
corroboration.

The event at Forrest River in 1926, described by Kiernan as one of the
"hundreds of massacres" that took place in the twentieth century,
has more surface plausibility. The Western Australian government
appointed a royal commissioner to look into the allegations. The
commissioner found that two policemen, while on the hunt for an
Aboriginal who had murdered a pastoralist, had themselves shot eleven
natives in their custody and burnt their remains beyond recognition.
Until recently, historians had no good reason to doubt his findings.
The figure of 100 dead cited by Kiernan is in a different position. It
comes from Aboriginal oral history collected in the 1970s and has no
more status than local mythology.

In 1999, however, the Perth journalist Rod Moran published a detailed
analysis of the evidence and conclusions of the Forrest River Royal
Commission. In his book Massacre Myth, Moran proves beyond reasonable
doubt that no such killings ever took place. There were no
eyewitnesses, no forensic evidence of human beings killed, nor any
ballistic evidence. He produces a medical officer's analysis made at
the time, and largely ignored by later commentators, that charred bones
found at some camp sites were not of human origin or were of
indeterminate origin. They were probably the remains of animals cooked
over camp fires. The most incriminating evidence of a massacre had been
a list of twenty-nine Aborigines from the local mission who had gone
missing, presumed killed, at the time of the police patrol. Moran shows
this list, compiled by the head of the mission, is fraudulent. He
examined the mission's surviving documents and found several of the
Aborigines on the list were recorded on the attendance roll alive and
well two and three years later. Some of them were recorded as having
died well before the police patrol took place. Others had not been seen
at the mission for up to two years before the events concerned. Moran
persuasively argues that the mission head fabricated not only this list
but also other evidence upon which the commission had relied.

Research of my own has since found that this behavior was
characteristic of a number of well-known missionaries in the nineteenth
and early twentieth centuries. These missionaries took any rumor about
violence towards Aborigines, no matter how unreliable or vague, and
propagated it without checking its accuracy. Why would they do such a
thing? They wanted to show the need for their own institutions. By
portraying colonial society as awash with violence towards the blacks,
they justified their policy of separating Aborigines from white
society. They wanted their missions to appear as havens in a heartless
world. This fulfilled the Protestant evangelical theology on which
their actions were based: the everyday, material world was full of evil
and corruption and the only road to salvation for Aborigines lay in a
closed religious community. Here they could be kept apart from the
modern world and separated from white society. It also meant the
missionaries would keep their funding and their jobs. They hoped to be
seen by their peers in the colony and their sponsors in London as the
saviors of the Aborigines.

The rumours and myths they disseminated have colored the whole record
of Aboriginal-European relations in Australia's early colonial
history. They have also influenced policy ever since. Those who claim
to be the friends of Aborigines have long supported separatism-from
the missions and government reserves of the nineteenth century down to
the proposals for a treaty and separate state today.

Recent academic historians have used the claims of missionaries to
construct a lurid series of massacre stories, adding an extra dimension
of their own. Until 1981 no historian had been confident enough to
estimate the total number of Aborigines killed on the frontiers of the
British occupation. No systematic count of bodies had ever been made,
and the handful of researchers then in the field knew many reports of
killings were unreliable. The most reputable historian in the field,
Charles Rowley, had said in 1970 that, compared to the impact on
indigenous peoples of other colonizing powers, the Australian story
amounted to "comparatively small-scale homicide." All this changed
with the publication of Henry Reynolds's The Other Side of the
Frontier. He estimated that settlers killed at least 20,000 Aborigines
between 1788 and 1901. Relative to the size of their population, this
figure suggested that between 5 and 20 percent of all Aborigines in the
colonial period died violently by white hands. This was, Reynolds said,
a shocking indictment.

Twenty thousand blacks were killed before federation. Their burial
mound stands out as a landmark of awesome size on the peaceful plains
of colonial history. If the bodies had been white our histories would
be heavy with their story, a forest of monuments would celebrate their
"sacrifice." In parts of the continent the Aboriginal death toll
overshadows even that of the overseas wars of the twentieth century.
This figure is nowhere near as great as the indigenous death toll from
disease in the early nineteenth century, but it is still a disturbing
total. It now entered the established record and become part of the
received wisdom of Australian historiography. It is the current
consensus among Australian historians. (The figure of 50,000- 100,000
cited by Phillip Knightley is pure invention. The only "authority"
to suggest a total this high is a book of popular history written by
Bruce Elder, a journalist whose normal specialty is rock 'n' roll
music. It is heavily ironic that Knightley, the author of a very good
book on war reporting and propaganda, The First Casualty, has himself
succumbed to the kind of atrocity stories he has criticized others for
accepting.)
Very few historians have ever questioned the veracity of Reynolds's
figure of 20,000 dead or traced its sources to their origins. It
derived from a compilation he made of estimates by historians of
various regions. One of these regions is Queensland where Reynolds's
source is his own research. In The Other Side of the Frontier, he said
that he had spent several years going through official records and
press reports and had found that Queensland was by far the bloodiest
area for Aboriginal-white conflict. As the Queensland pastoral frontier
expanded from 1850 to 1900, some 10,000 Aborigines were killed by
whites. In his book, Reynolds said he had published the actual details
of this research in 1978 in a small university monograph entitled Race
Relations in North Queensland. Even though 10,000 in Queensland was a
remarkably high figure-the other regional studies he cited produced a
combined death toll for the rest of the continent of less than 3000
-no scholar doubted Reynolds's claims nor investigated his
methodology. For the next twenty years, Australian historians were
happy to cite him as the authority.

In July and August 2000, I began a project to investigate the evidence
behind Aboriginal killings. One of the first works I looked up was
Reynolds's 1978 monograph, Race Relations in North Queensland, a
typescript volume held by only a few libraries. To my surprise, I found
it is not about Aboriginal deaths at all. It is a tally of the number
of whites killed by Aborigines. Nowhere does it mention 10,000
Aboriginal dead. It produces evidence that Aborigines may have killed
between 800 and 850 Europeans from 1850 to 1900. The only mention it
makes of Aboriginal deaths is in one sole footnote where the author
says that while it is impossible to do anything but guess at the number
of natives killed, their death rate "may have been" ten times more
than that of the Europeans. In other words, as well as being a false
citation of evidence, this document meant the overall historical
consensus about Aboriginal killings had a gaping hole in its empirical
foundation.

I presented this finding to a conference in Sydney last September,
arguing that it amounted to a major piece of academic deception. I also
presented some of the evidence now emerging about the exaggeration and
invention involved in some of the best-known events, such as the
Forrest River "massacre." Because Reynolds has a high media profile
(he has had a television series called Frontier made from his books,
and the liberal daily, The Sydney Morning Herald, recently nominated
him as one of the 100 greatest living Australians), my paper attracted
considerable media attention. Very little of it, however, was
sympathetic to my findings. Most commentary was outraged that I had
dared to question the orthodox position. Four academic historians and
the political scientist, Robert Manne-once the editor of the leading
Australian conservative intellectual magazine, Quadrant, but now a
member of the Left establishment-compared me in the press to the
Holocaust denier David Irving.

In a mainly ad hominem reply, Henry Reynolds himself conceded that his
figure of 20,000 was only a guess. He also conceded my critique that,
on the available evidence, most of the killings of Aborigines that had
occurred comprised individually small numbers. Almost all homicides
were in ones and twos and the phenomenon of mass killing was rare and
isolated. He completely ignored, however, the charge of academic
deception and stood by his original tally as an "educated and
conservative" guess. He had done "a mountain of research" and had
published his reading in a twenty-five-page bibliography. Because his
work rested on such a great body of reading, he said people should
trust his judgment.

While I had demonstrated that there was very little reliable evidence
for most of the claims about the killing of Aborigines, defenders of
the orthodoxy replied that this is just what you would expect in a
frontier war situation. Pastoralists displaced both Aborigines and the
game they depended upon. Faced with the loss of their land and
starvation, the Aborigines understandably responded with violence. The
orthodox view claimed that the frontier was a place where whites could
kill blacks with impunity. No other settlers on the frontier would have
reported them and the police either turned a blind eye or were
complicit in massacres themselves. Hence widespread killings would have
occurred without leaving any trace in the historical evidence.

This is, of course, a circular argument. To explain why there would be
no evidence of widespread killings, you claim there was a frontier war
situation, which, under this definition, is a place where there were
widespread killings but where no evidence of them remained.

The most revealing comment was made by Dr. Bain Attwood of Monash
University who wrote: "Most of the historical sources that might have
enabled us to enumerate the number of Aboriginal people killed on the
frontier have, for various reasons, either never existed or have since
been lost or destroyed." Attwood went on to claim that "very little
historical interpretation is verifiable in any strict sense," and
that historians arrive at the truth on the basis of a "scholarly
consensus." Now, the notion of a scholarly consensus might be
acceptable if there was sufficient evidence to support it. However, if
the evidence "never existed" or can no longer be found, then the
consensus can owe nothing to scholarship. It is no more than a shared
ideological position. To imagine that one can arrive at conclusions
without evidence, but simply on the basis of an agreement between those
currently in the field, is to abandon historical methodology in favor
of politics-he who has the numbers determines the truth.
Unfortunately, this postmodernist assumption now dominates the teaching
of history at our universities.

My critique of the current orthodoxy was published in a three-part
series of articles in Quadrant late last year. I am now expanding this
work into a book that makes three principal arguments. First, rather
than genocide and frontier warfare, British colonization of Australia
brought civilized society and the rule of law. Whites could not kill
blacks with impunity. In fact, as the British government regularly
reminded all its colonial governors, Aborigines were subjects of His
Majesty and entitled to the protection of his laws. The penalty for the
unlawful killing of an Aborigine was death, the same as for killing a
white man. This was enshrined in one celebrated incident, the Myall
Creek Massacre of 1838, where a group of convict and ex-convict
stockmen killed twenty-eight Aboriginal men, women, and children
encamped on a pastoral station. The overseer found the bodies and was
appalled. He reported the incident and identified those responsible,
who were subsequently tried for murder. Eleven were found guilty and
seven were executed for the crime. Modern historians try to argue this
event away by saying it was the exception rather than the rule. The
fact remains, however, that it was a highly publicized case of the rule
of law being upheld and justice being done in a way that could not fail
to impress even the most crudely racist member of the then penal
colony. There is a considerable body of other evidence from the
pastoral frontier that shows the colonial police did their duty and the
authorities scrutinized their activities closely.

Second, rather than evidence of Aboriginal killings "never
existing" or being lost or destroyed, the documentary record is
actually quite comprehensive. I am currently working on the archives of
Tasmania, a very small society where, except for a gap of two years,
there are good records of the activities of the entire British
population from 1803 to 1831. The leading orthodox historian of
Aboriginal-European relations in Tasmania, Professor Lyndall Ryan,
claims that 700 natives were shot dead in this period. She acknowledges
that half this figure is her own extrapolation based on guesswork but
she nonetheless claims the archival record directly confirms a body
count of 362 natives who died by gunshot. After surveying the secondary
sources and checking all their citations of reports of killings in the
original documents, however, I have found that a reliable figure of
British killings of Aborigines in Tasmania is less than one-hundred.
This is about half the number of colonists who died at native hands and
is a figure that makes the notion of "frontier warfare" look
absurd.

Third, the idea that Aborigines were patriots engaged in a brave but
futile defense of their territory against the firepower of British
imperialism is a piece of ideology derived from the anti-colonialist
movement of the 1950s and 1960s. It has little to do with the mentality
of tribal hunter-gatherers of the late eighteenth and early nineteenth
century when colonization originally took place. Rather than
nationalist hostility, the Aboriginal response to the arrival of the
British was quite different. In some places, Aborigines were fascinated
by, and strongly drawn towards, white society. Some became quickly
dependent upon white food supplies and addicted to British products
such as flour, sugar, tea, tobacco, and rum. In other places, personal
quarrels between whites and natives, especially over women and the
theft of food, led to violence. Under the Aboriginal notion of
"payback" justice, an offense against a native could be revenged by
a violent assault on any white man. The great majority of killings of
both whites and blacks took place under these conditions. While they
involved a genuine clash between the two different cultures' notions
of justice and law, rarely did they amount to "frontier warfare,"
and certainly not the kind of anti-colonial guerrilla warfare familiar
to most historians who came of age in the 1960s. As for the Aborigines
being driven into conflict by starvation after native game was
eliminated, many frontier pastoralists reported that, after they had
removed the timber to expand their pastures, in most places they
suffered "a plague" of kangaroos, whose populations exploded to
take advantage of the greatly increased supply of grass.

It is true that the Aboriginal population declined dramatically after
British colonization but this was almost entirely due to disease:
smallpox on the north and east coasts (contracted from fishermen
visiting from present-day Indonesia), and influenza and pneumonia in
the rest of the continent and on Tasmania. The Aboriginal birth rate
also plummeted, primarily due to the spread of venereal disease. In
Tasmania and most of the south and east of the continent, the last
full-blooded Aborigines died in the nineteenth century.

The twentieth century, however, saw people of Aboriginal descent revive
their numbers to their current total of 386,000. The great majority of
these people today show little inclination to fulfil the romantic
agenda set for them by recent historians and political activists.
Rather than remain in outback communities, 73 percent of them today
have moved to the cities and large regional centers. In the suburbs of
Sydney alone, there are more people who identify themselves as
Aboriginal than in the entire Western third of the continent, outside
of Perth. Some 71 percent of Aborigines profess Christianity and a mere
2.06 percent adhere to traditional tribal religion. Two-thirds of the
adults are married to or cohabiting with a nonindigenous spouse. In the
cities, their employment, education levels, and health are much better
than in the outback communities where the activists want them to live.
In other words, at a time when Australian politics and the judiciary
are making extensive land grants in the outback, and when academics,
artists, and the news media are calling for the revival of traditional
culture on tribal land, the great majority of Aboriginal people
themselves are voting with their feet and assimilating into white
society.

Why then has the history of Aboriginal-European relations become such a
burning issue? It is more than a matter of the fabrication of evidence
by a group of radical historians. A proper explanation of the
phenomenon needs to tell us not only why so many prominent people have
been drawn into the issue, but also why the historians themselves
seized upon it in the first place.

As I have indicated, part of the explanation derives from the culture
of the Sixties. At the time, Australian radicals took their political
ideas largely from the United States. In race relations, they adopted
the notion of "Black Power," which claimed that policies for the
assimilation or the integration of non-white people into white society
were racist. The Marxist guru of the 1960s Herbert Marcuse and his
followers argued that just as capitalism co-opted the working class
into accepting capitalist ideology, so whites wanted to co-opt blacks
into a form of integration that would betray black interests and
suppress black culture. These ideas produced similar sentiments among
Aboriginal activists in this country.

Black power also coincided with the decolonization of Asia and Africa.
The emergent nationalist movements in these regions were
anti-imperialist and anti-European. Many activists in Aboriginal
politics came to identify British imperialism and racism as the cause
of all their problems. Many historians in Australia swallowed this
political agenda whole. They made their own contribution to it by
manufacturing stories about the widespread killing of Aborigines in our
past in order to shore up its separatist assumptions.

There is more to the issue, however, than the politics of the Sixties.
It goes much deeper into Western culture. Ever since Christopher
Columbus discovered the New World, there has been a heated debate
within Western society over its relations with the indigenous peoples
who subsequently came within its realm. The debate has been remarkably
consistent over the whole of this five-hundred-year period in that,
rather than focusing primarily on the indigenes, it has been far more
concerned to use their presence to mount a critique of European society
itself. European intellectuals have used the notion of primitive
peoples living in harmony with a beneficent nature as a contrast to the
complexity and restrictions of their own civilization. When Montaigne
wrote his essay "On Cannibals" in 1580, he knew very little about
the cannibals of the New World themselves, but he was able to imagine
that they lived in a "state of purity" that contrasted sharply with
all the institutions that were the bane of civilized man's existence.


This is a nation, I should say to Plato, in which there is no sort of
traffic, no knowledge of letters, no science of numbers, no name for a
magistrate or for political superiority, no custom of servitude, no
riches or poverty, no contracts, no successions, no partitions, no
occupations but leisure ones, no care for any but common kinship, no
clothes, no agriculture, no metal, no use of wine or wheat. The very
words that signify lying, treachery, dissimulation, avarice, envy,
belittling, pardon- unheard of.
In the seventeenth century, the English poet John Dryden coined the
term "noble savage" to refer to such "guiltless men." In the
eighteenth century, the French radical Jean-Jacques Rousseau portrayed
"the celestial and majestic simplicity of man before corruption by
society."

In his monumental survey of Western culture over the past five
centuries From Dawn to Decadence, Jacques Barzun records that a
yearning for what he calls "primitivism" has been a powerful force
over the whole of this time. Primitivism is one of the key impulses
that inspired those who were drawn to Martin Luther and the Protestant
Reformation. Barzun notes that this impulse is based on the perception
that complex social systems are both oppressive and corrupt. Hence it
repeatedly creates a demand for "the pure," not only in religion
and social organization, but across the whole of the culture: "pure
love, pure thought, pure form in art." It is the principal impulse
behind the notion of the "noble savage." Primitivism, Barzun
argues, is closely related to the demand for emancipation. Together,
the rejection of complex, rule-based society and the yearning for an
earlier, simpler, more natural state of humanity, have regularly
produced calls for the overthrow of existing social structures, in both
the church and the polity.

Another illuminating recent analysis of this issue is by the
Californian classicist Bruce Thornton. In Plagues of the Mind (ISI
books, 1999) Thornton provides a critique of the prevailing radical
cult of romanticism. He demonstrates the connection between the concept
of the noble savage and a number of contemporary radical impulses,
including the "deep green" environmentalist movement, American
Indian politics, and recent directions in "New Age" feminism. The
noble savage is manifest not only in recent Hollywood products such as
Dances with Wolves and Pocahontas, but has also been a staple of
American political radicalism. Thornton argues that, since Rousseau,
the concept has nourished those revolutionary political
movements-from the Jacobins to the Khmer Rouge-who have wanted to
purge society of its failings and recreate the imagined purity of a
community of perfect beings. He observes that variations on the theme
go as far back as the poet Hesiod in 700 B.C. It represents a longing
for a return to a pre-civilized existence and to escape from a
rule-based social system. As such, it is a protest by the civilized
against civilization itself. It It is a desire that derives from a
fundamental misinterpretation of the object of its dissent. Thornton
writes:

By denigrating Western civilization-the imperfect but still best hope
for controlling humanity's penchant for evil and for providing the
greatest freedom for the greatest number of people-the myth of the
noble savage nurtures the false hope that human perfection and freedom
are possible without civilization.
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From The New Criterion Vol. 20, No. 1, September 2001
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-25 21:34:21 UTC
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Yeah, and holocaust was a myth too, right? Ever heard of White
Australia Policy?
"White"washing history won't do. No matter how bad you feel about the
evil done by your thuggish ancestors.

Adi Anant
o***@fastmail.co.uk
2005-08-25 23:20:32 UTC
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Post by Marcus Aurelius
Yeah, and holocaust was a myth too, right?
Are you referring to your Holocaust-denying pals in Gujarat?

____________________________________________


VADODARA: Schoolchildren in Gujarat[India] will soon find out that the
word 'tyranny' is synonymous with Adolf Hitler. That he was
responsible
for the killing of six million Jews and that he advocated the supremacy

of one race.


They will also learn that their social science textbooks have made a
major blunder by projecting Hitler as a tragic hero of World War II.


Friends of Israel, a society of admirers of the Jewish state, will soon

start what they call the 'expose Hitler campaign'. Angered by
reports of
textbooks in Gujarat eulogising the German dictator, the society is
planning an exhibition on the Holocaust in collaboration with the
Consulate General of Israel in Mumbai.


The exhibition, to be brought to the state in September, will travel to

all major cities and towns.


"We are also planning a DVD show at all major educational institutes in

the state," says general secretary of Friends of Israel Nikitin
Contractor.


"The DVD, obtained from Tel Aviv University, gives a true picture of
Germany under Hitler."


The society's website will soon put up a lot of information on the
genocide so that more people can access it. On August 15, the
250-member
association will also organise a peaceful protest against the textbooks

by sending e-mails to the state government, asking them to make amends.



Adds Contractor, "It is very sad that the man responsible for the
killing of six million Jews is eulogised in our textbooks.
Interestingly, many BJP leaders have visited Israel.


Even Vadodara mayor NV Patel had visited Israel and the Holocaust
memorial - Yaad Vashem - recently." Regarding the textbooks, Patel,
who
admits that he was deeply moved by the memorial, says: "I cannot
comment
on it, I never read the books."
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1188057.cms


The Indian state of Gujarat is ruled by a Hindu fundamentalist group,
commonly referred to as the "sangh parivar", who are responsible for
the
"revised" textbooks that cast Hitler in a favorable light.

_______________________________________


Don't forget. Australians and Britons fought Hitler!
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Ever heard of White
Australia Policy?
Ever heard of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact?
Post by Marcus Aurelius
"White"washing history won't do.
But you dirted it with political exaggeration as
extremists are wont to do.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
No matter how bad you feel about the
evil done by your thuggish ancestors.
Have you apologised to the Sikhs for the Amritsar massacre
yet?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4141524.stm
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Adi Anant
Sounds like you killed about 30 times as many Sikhs as
we killed Tasmanians over a period that was 30 times shorter!
What a blood bath.
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2005-08-26 08:14:46 UTC
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Post by o***@fastmail.co.uk
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Yeah, and holocaust was a myth too, right?
Are you referring to your Holocaust-denying pals in Gujarat?
A bit like Muslims denying they did anything wrong! They still tell us 9/11
was not carried out by a Muslim but Jews are responsible!
Hunter1
2005-08-26 15:52:20 UTC
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Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Post by o***@fastmail.co.uk
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Yeah, and holocaust was a myth too, right?
Are you referring to your Holocaust-denying pals in Gujarat?
A bit like Muslims denying they did anything wrong! They still tell us 9/11
was not carried out by a Muslim but Jews are responsible!
Just like you deny the massacres in Gujarat, the massacre of the Sikhs
(over 50,000) and the massacre of the Christians in Nagaland all at the
hands of you hindutva nazi scum of India. Who's in denial here? And we
aren't talking about the culprits being two dozen or so Muslims here
we're talking about thousands of so-called Hindus.
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-27 03:10:35 UTC
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LOL. Still pulling numbers out of your ass?
Sheesh, your kind never stops lying to cover your evil, do you?
What else can be expected of a penal colony? "I didn't do it, judge!
The evidence is a fabrication!"
ROTFL

Adi Anant
Hunter1
2005-08-27 03:30:11 UTC
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Post by Marcus Aurelius
"I didn't do it, judge!
You hindutva nazi scum keep screaming that, but even your own government
says you are liars.
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-27 04:13:03 UTC
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ROTFL.

Adi Anant
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-27 03:12:03 UTC
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You know, there is a thing called "reality", retard aussie. :P
Perhaps you should get in touch with it, instead of fabricating to
cover your evil genocides.

Adi Anant
Hunter1
2005-08-27 03:30:46 UTC
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Post by Marcus Aurelius
there is a thing called "reality"
And if you try really hard you might eventually get there....
Hunter1
2005-08-26 15:49:44 UTC
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Post by Marcus Aurelius
Yeah, and holocaust was a myth too, right?
The genocide of the Sikhs, of the Muslims in Gujarat and the Christians
in Nagaland sure as fuck aren't myths.

All more "glory" for the hindutva nazis of India huh?
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-27 03:16:04 UTC
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What genocides? 25 million Sikhs, 140 million mohamedans, and 23
million Christians in India.
25,000 Hindus and Sikhs killed by Khalistanis.
500,000 Hindus ethnically cleansed by paki terrorists from Kashmir.
59 Hindu women and children burnt alive by mohamedan crowd.
30,000 civilians shot, beheaded or blown up by paki terrorists in
Kashmir.

What was that about 'genocide' again? The decimation of 95% of the
Aborigines? I agree.

Adi Anant
Hunter1
2005-08-27 03:36:12 UTC
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55,000 Sikhs murdered by hindutva nazis, 2,000+ Muslims murdered by
hindutva nazis (twice over), an entire country over-run and occupied by
Aryan invaders and the native Dravidians made into a slave population.

"According to figures compiled by the Punjab State Magistracy, which
represents the judiciary of Punjab, and human-rights groups, over a
quarter of a million (250,000) Sikhs have been murdered by the Indian
government since 1984. They join over 300,000 Christians in Nagaland
who have been killed by the Indian regime since 1947, as well as more
than 85,000 Kashmiri Muslims who have been killed since 1988 and tens of
thousands of other minorities. Amnesty International reported in
February that at lest 100 individuals, including social activists, human
rights defenders, and lawyers, were currently being tortured in Punjab."

Who are the genocidal bastards again??? We've grown up and civilised
since 200 years ago, you seem to still be living in the stoneage in
India with the same shit happening right up until today.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
What genocides? 25 million Sikhs, 140 million mohamedans, and 23
million Christians in India.
25,000 Hindus and Sikhs killed by Khalistanis.
500,000 Hindus ethnically cleansed by paki terrorists from Kashmir.
59 Hindu women and children burnt alive by mohamedan crowd.
30,000 civilians shot, beheaded or blown up by paki terrorists in
Kashmir.
What was that about 'genocide' again? The decimation of 95% of the
Aborigines? I agree.
Adi Anant
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-25 22:09:29 UTC
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"..Western civilization-the imperfect but still best hope
for controlling humanity's penchant for evil and for providing the
greatest freedom for the greatest number of people.."

The gall of such people. For the sake of a small white minority, they
take over entire continents, enslave hundreds of millions, kill
millions, reduce others to poverty and famine, and claim that it is
"greatest freedom for the greatest number of people".
As for "controlling humanity's penchant", well, who is going to control
the White man's penchant for unimaginable evils like slavery,
colonialism, inquisition, frequent wars, nerve gas, atomic bombs,
bioweapons, genocide, nazism, fascism, occupation and enslavement,
stealing of resources and a million others.

If "western "civilization (!)"" is humanity's best hope, then the
future is annihilation in an armageddon.

Adi Anant
o***@fastmail.co.uk
2005-08-26 00:00:58 UTC
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Post by Marcus Aurelius
"..Western civilization-the imperfect but still best hope
for controlling humanity's penchant for evil and for providing the
greatest freedom for the greatest number of people.."
The gall of such people.
Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder my dusky friend,
and I am not talking about a Celeron.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
For the sake of a small white minority, they
take over entire continents,
Mahabandar --> HI, USA
Sunil SETI --> Canberra, AUS
parekh/thakur/londhe --> TX, USA.
Nusrat Rizvi --> CT, USA.

You voted with your feet to endure our society :-)
Post by Marcus Aurelius
enslave hundreds of millions,
Slavery you say?

http://www.time.com/time/asia/features/slavery/
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1996/India3.htm
http://www.anti-slaverysociety.addr.com/slaverysasia.htm
http://www.anti-slaverysociety.addr.com/hieroras.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2783655.stm
Post by Marcus Aurelius
kill
millions,
and save millions with our medicines, technology
Post by Marcus Aurelius
reduce others to poverty and famine,
and raise others from poverty and famine

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4348779.stm


"The British public's £350m of pledges to the Asian tsunami appeal has

helped ensure that, just three months after the disaster, emergency aid

work is now giving way to the beginnings of long-term reconstruction."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4346635.stm


"Three months after the Asian tsunami, the £350m donated by Britons is

continuing to fund aid in the region. At first charities concentrated
on urgent relief, now they are able to look to the future.


Almost immediately after the tsunami struck, killing about 300,000 and
washing away the homes and livelihoods of millions more, British
charities began the task of getting basic aid to the region.


To that end, more than £112m of the Disasters Emergency Committee's
fund went towards providing clean drinking water, sanitation, shelter,
food and medicine. "
Post by Marcus Aurelius
and claim that it is
"greatest freedom for the greatest number of people".
Well, it is, innit.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
As for "controlling humanity's penchant", well, who is going to control
the White man's penchant for unimaginable
Unimagineable?
Post by Marcus Aurelius
evils like slavery,
No-one; China and Indian are too powerful for us to intervene.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
colonialism,
No-one: Indians and Chinese can come and live in the West.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
inquisition,
Is that still going?
Post by Marcus Aurelius
frequent wars,
Wars since 1948: INDIA
1 1947-48 War on Pakistan (Kashmir)
2 1965 War on Pakistan (Rann of Kutch)
3 Indo-China War of 1962
4 1971 India-Pakistan War
5 War on jihad: Delhi has faced a jihad for years, but Washington
couldn't care less
6 Troop deployment in Sri Wanker

Looks like you've been busy too :-)
Post by Marcus Aurelius
nerve gas,
penecillin
Post by Marcus Aurelius
atomic bombs,
Mahabharata states atomic bomb, or equivalent detonation,
was used to fuse ancient Indian town of Mohenjo-Daro into
radioactive glass. Or was it just a Vindaloo that got out
of hand?
Post by Marcus Aurelius
bioweapons,
As used by wise Asians, including but not limited to
anthrax, tularemia, plague, botulism, small pox,
glanders, typhoid, typhus, and fleas infected with
bubonic plague? (WW2).
Post by Marcus Aurelius
genocide,
We all do that.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
nazism,
and it's nemesis, BRITISH EMPIRE
Post by Marcus Aurelius
fascism,
and it's nemesis BRITISH EMPIRE
Post by Marcus Aurelius
occupation
Tibet, Mongolia, Manchuria
Post by Marcus Aurelius
and enslavement,
Tibet, China, Cambodia, Vietnam, Pakistan, India, Thailand...

http://www.time.com/time/asia/features/slavery/
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1996/India3.htm
http://www.anti-slaverysociety.addr.com/slaverysasia.htm
http://www.anti-slaverysociety.addr.com/hieroras.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2783655.stm
Post by Marcus Aurelius
stealing of resources and a million others.
also foreign aid and a million other things
Post by Marcus Aurelius
If "western "civilization (!)"" is humanity's best hope, then the
future is annihilation in an armageddon.
I hope you do not share the fate of esteemed Mahatama,
another Indian gentleman famous for scoffing at
Western civilisation.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Adi Anant
Max
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-26 01:16:31 UTC
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It gets tiring to debate rationally with feeble minds.
There are Indians living in Vietnam too. People move and explore.
Whites, on the other hand, commit genocide wherever they go. What does
that tell you, moron?
The tragedy of the world is that the Whites have gained control of most
of the resources because of superior arms. Now they are bent upon
justifying all the evil they do, by hiding behind anecdotal benefits.
For nothing can seem foul to those that win.
But nothing is forever.

Adi Annat
Hunter1
2005-08-26 15:55:01 UTC
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Post by Marcus Aurelius
It gets tiring to debate rationally with feeble minds.
Go and see a doctor then, perhaps he can fix your feeble split
personality, and then you'll just have a slightly less feeble single
mind....
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-27 03:18:12 UTC
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Stop scratching your butt, retard.

Adi Anant
Hunter1
2005-08-27 03:36:57 UTC
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scratching butt
I'm sure you are.....
unknown
2005-08-27 04:46:49 UTC
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Post by Hunter1
scratching butt
I'm sure you are.....
No hunter he is right, he is scratching his head but that is why they
call him butthead .

Give him a break , will you?
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2005-08-26 08:13:33 UTC
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Post by Marcus Aurelius
Australia and the Holocaust: A Koori Perspective
http://www.kooriweb.org/gst/genocide/essayhol.html
Interesting tactic, to call the Australians, who fought
Hitler 'Nazis' -

So did the South African whites don't say their policies of segregation were
ok! How stupid can a person get. Koori's are native Australian people and
it is their point of view that has been expressed. Are you saying their
experiences do not count?
Hunter1
2005-08-26 15:56:44 UTC
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Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
So did the South African whites don't say their policies of segregation were
ok! How stupid can a person get. Koori's are native Australian people and
it is their point of view that has been expressed. Are you saying their
experiences do not count?
You say the views of the Dravidians and Dalits don't count, fucking
hypocrite. Difference being you torture and murder Dalits and
Dravidians, we just give Aboriginals (Kooris are only one small tribe by
the way) more benefits and financial aid than any other race in
Australia. Who's the nazi?
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-27 03:21:56 UTC
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Is that why their lifespan is 25 years less than "white" aussies? Must
be some benefits!
Or is that aussie-nazi humor? Code for cheap alcohol to keep them drunk
and quiet?

Adi Anant
Hunter1
2005-08-24 23:41:16 UTC
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Yawnnn.... Is that all you've got??


GENOCIDE OF THE DALITS IN MODERN DAY INDIA
http://www.dalitstan.org/journal/genocide/dalits/d_govt.html

India has once again proven that it is nothing but a `Brahmin-Occupied
Government' (BOG), just like Nepal. This is shown by the impunity with
which the Brahmin gangsters and criminals operate. One need only recall
the Brahmins Romesh Sharma, Sukh Ram, P.V.N.Rao and countless other
pious Brahmins who have looted crores of Rupees from innocent Indian
tax-payers. The fact that these criminals are still on the loose shows
that they enjoy the protection of the Brahmin-controlled bureacracy and
the Brahmin-occupied political leadership. However, a far more deadly
breed of Brahmin criminals stalks the countryside of South Asia, putting
innocent Sudras to death merely because they were born with the wrong
skin color. These Brahmin terrorists belong to `Hindutva', `Communist'
(ie. Kautilyan) or `Pseudo-Secular' militias which enjoy the support of
the BOG. The deadliest of these are of the `Hindutva' variety, of which
the Ranvir Sena is the most well-known.




" The extent of political patronage extended to the Ranvir Sena can be
gauged by the fact that while a large number of Naxalites are killed in
encounters [ with police ] not a single Ranvir Sena man has been
subjected to this fate. The administration awakes a little later when it
comes to tackl[ing] these armies. The outfit [Ranvir Sena] had declared
a few days before the Jehanabad [Bathe] carnage that it would soon make
a national and international headline. "

The Pioneer, December 12, 1997.

" Like other senas before it, the Ranvir Sena enjoys considerable
political patronage. The sena is said to be dominated by politicians
from various parties, including Congress, the Janata Dal, and the
Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP)."

Human Rights Watch, World Report 1999.


The respected international human rights organisation, Human Rights
Watch, completely exposed the slow genocide perpetrated against the
Dalits by the Brahmin terrorists. The following extract from its
widely-read World Report, 1999, exposes the nexus between Brahmin
politician and Brahmin terrorist -


Ranvir Sena Massacres and State Complicity
" In the districts of central Bihar, over 300 people were killed between
1995 and October 1997 in large-scale massacres committed by the Ranvir
Sena. Three massacres since October 1997 have increased number of deaths
to over 400. Human rights activists add that many have also been killed
in smaller confrontations. Extrajudicial executions of Naxalites,
coupled with evidence of police collusion with the Ranvir Sena, as
documented below, have led to charges that the sena is being backed by
the state administration and non-left political parties to check the
growing Naxalite movement. Soon after a January 1999 sena massacre in
Shankarbigha village, Jehanabad district, a senior police official was
quoted as saying, " The administration would be happy if they kill the
real extremists among the Naxalites, but they are killing soft targets
like women and children and attacking villages of Dalits and weaker
sections, which are unprotected.
Like other senas before it, the Ranvir Sena enjoys considerable
political patronage. The sena is said to be dominated by politicians
from various parties, including Congress, the Janata Dal, and the
Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which in 1998 led India's coalition
central government. In turn, the BJP has enjoyed Bhumihar support in
local elections, as described below. Notorious Ranvir Sena leader
Bharmeshwar Singh is also a known BJP activist. While Bihar's former
Chief Minister Laloo Prasad Yadav, a member of a powerful backward
caste, has accused the BJP of backing the sena, he himself has been
blamed for only going after Naxalites, despite vows to disarm caste
armies. Moreover, state agents at the village and district level are
dominated by upper-caste members who often operate as functionaries of
mainstream political parties [and] are either active with or sympathize
with the Ranbir Sena.

According to press reports, in districts across central Bihar, and
particularly in Bhojpur district, the police force has traditionally
been dominated by Bhumihars and Rajputs. Since the implementation of the
Mandal reservations, the OBCs too have been represented, but these are
primarily Yadavs and Kurmis who also happen to be the new landowners in
the districts. Caste as a factor in the police and administration is
relevant in Bhojpur more than anywhere else in Bihar."

Reference - `Human Rights Watch World Report : India, 1999', Published
by Human Rights Watch. http://www.hrw.org/



These reports from respected media sources reveal that the Brahmin
terrorists of deadly outfits such as the Ranvir Sena, Bajrang Dal, BJP,
VHP and other Hindutva militias are actively aided by treacherous
Brahmins from within the Brahmin-Occupied Indian Government. The passing
of each day brings to light new and horrific stories of mass deaths and
ethnic cleansing of Sudra Blacks at the hands of these Brahmin
terrorists all over India. The impunity with which these fanatics
operate shows that no Sudra is safe from these Brahmin butchers. Their
cruel murder of innocent women and children show that they are fully
brainwashed with Vedic barbarism. One need only recall the verses from
the Vedas exhorting the Aryan White to kill the Sudra Black -


Rig Veda IX.73.5
" Praise be the stormy Aryan Gods who rush on like furious bulls and
scatter the Black Skin."

These terrorists also receive substantial support from the
Pseudo-Secular Brahmins across South Asia. The Pandits, Acharyas and
Vaidikas constantly preach hatred against Sudras (Blacks), and the
Vishnu temples are repositories of weaponry and provide sanctuary for
the pious Brahmin terrorists. If these bigoted Brahmins are not stopped
it will not be long before India becomes a Brahmavarta inhabited only by
pure-blooded Brahmins. One need only remember the thousands of years of
tyrannical rule which these savages enforced upon the Indians during the
Brahmanic Dark Ages. They engineered the cataclysmic foreign invasions
that devastated India and collaborated with the invaders in order to
keep the non-Brahmins enslaved. The Indian Government must take steps to
stamp out these treacherous Brahmins and destroy the infrastructure of
the Brahmin terrorists operating from Brahmavarta.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Why Nazis still call Australia home
http://www.greenleft.org.au/ba ck/2001/451/451p27.htm
War Criminals Welcome: Australia, A Sanctuary for War Criminals since
1945
By Mark Aarons
Black Inc, 2001
"In the 1970s, the Nazi emigres became entrenched in the NSW branch of
the Liberal Party. Heading a powerful, extreme-right, pro-fascist
faction (dubbed the "Uglies") was Leo Urbancic, a senior Nazi
propagandist in Slovenia during the war. Such propaganda created a
climate that made the mass killing of Jews, communists and Allied
soldiers acceptable.
In 1961, when Liberal federal attorney-general Garfield Barwick
announced that the government had "closed the chapter" on war
criminals in Australia, an amnesty was in effect granted to Nazi
murderers."
"Australia remains the only Western country with a significant Nazi war
criminal problem which has no legislation to allow the deportation of
suspects for trial in their homelands. The Howard government did pass
legislation to deal with war criminals who arrived in Australia after
1997 (50 years behind the times as usual)."
"Today, as thousands of refugees fleeing tyrannies around the world
languish in Australian detention centres, they may well be wondering
why the red carpet was rolled out for right-wing murderers and what
this shows about the true colours of Australia's "democratic"
government."
Adi Anant
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-25 01:04:32 UTC
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Comparing Indian criminals with welcome Nazi guests of australia, now?

====
Australia a "safe haven" for Nazi war criminals

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/jan2000/nazi-j17.shtml

"The Australian government last week welcomed back a known Nazi war
criminal and ensured that he received VIP treatment on arrival."
"Canadian authorities deported Kalejs after a 10-month inquiry in 1997,
concluding that he "was assisting in the operation of a slave labour
camp, where brutality was intrinsic to its purpose. Kalejs is
accountable for what happened at Salaspils.""
=====

Obstruction and Delay [by Australia]

http://hir.harvard.edu/articles/874/

"Nazis fortunate enough to have emigrated to Australia after World War
II or to have fled there recently to escape more responsible
governments are still breathing easy."

=====

How the [Australian] Liberals sheltered Nazis

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/24/109.html

" Former Nazis were also welcomed into the Liberal Party. In 1953,
Viktor Padanyi and his Nazi Arrow Cross supporters formed a Hungarian
branch of the Liberal Party. The ABN's first president, Laszlo Megay,
was by the mid-'50s a leader of the Liberal Party's Migrant Advisory
Council.

The UN War Crimes Commission had listed Megay as a wanted war criminal.
Known as "the mass murderer of Ungvar," as mayor of Ungvar Megay
implemented the Nazis' horrific anti-Semitic repression."

" The Liberals' Migrant Advisory Council's leadership included
Constanin Untaru, the treasurer in the Nazi Iron Guard's Romanian
National Government, Fabijan Lovokovic of the Croatian Ustasha and
Mikhas Zuy, a senior official in the Belorussian quisling regime."
======

Australian Govt.'s attempts at censorship

http://www.smuggled.com/MedRel49.htm

"July 5th 2000 ? Australia.

In the lead-up to the 2000 Olympics, the Australian government has
pulled out all stops to stifle dissent and present a false picture of
life here to the outside world.

Australia's leading "dissident" and corruption investigator is author
Raymond Hoser."
"..the Australian government has written to booksellers across the
country and told them not to sell his corruption books. If they do ?
they will go to jail!"

=>
"The books paint an accurate and yet disturbing picture of life in
Australia.

Australia is shown to be a country where much of the population live in
fear, human rights are routinely violated, the media is tightly
controlled and news is routinely suppressed.

This is not what Australia wants the world to see when it hosts the
Sydney Olympics. But this is the real Australia."
=>

=====

* NAZI-STOLEN ART IN AUSTRALIA: "The New South Wales Art Gallery,
one of the first Australian institutions to review its collection, says
nine of the gallery's 40,000 artworks could have been among the many
paintings stolen by the Nazis." ABCNews Online 02/27/01

=====

..AUSTRALIA THE ...BASTION OF RACISM IN THE "DEVELOPED" WORLD..

http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/1175.htm

"The Howard Govt won the election after a campaign which has been
universally condemned as racist by many prominent Australians, the
United Nations and the international media."

"Australia is the only developed country whose government has been
condemned as racist by the United Nations : 13 Oct 2000"

"Amnesty International accuses Australia of violating UN convention: 29
Aug 2001"

"US press compares Australia with Nazis."

"Former Australian Prime Minister compares John Howard to Australia's
leader of white supremacist group, One Nation. And says election won on
race prejudices. 12 December 2001"

"Los Angeles times says that Australia's refugee policy has racist
origins. Jan 4/2002"

"Australia is a Nazi haven claims the USA."

"HEINOUS CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY:

The Australian aboriginal STOLEN GENERATION records coloured children
forcibly removed form their families and assimilated into white
society. The Christian churches played a pivotal role in this grotesque
human right abuse.

Key points . An estimated 100,000 children were taken from their
parents over 60 years . 10 per cent of Aborigines over 25 were removed
from their parents in childhood, according to Australian Bureau of
Statistics figures in 1994. . Other reports estimated the number at 47
per cent ."

"Australia's indigenous peoples are over represented in prisons.

Aboriginal peoples die 15-20 years younger than the Australian
population"

=====



ALL of this was and is STATE POLICY of Australia.

Nazism hasn't disappeared - it just moved to Australia.

Adi Anant
Hunter1
2005-08-27 01:04:37 UTC
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Post by Marcus Aurelius
Comparing Indian criminals with welcome Nazi guests of australia, now?
It ain't Australia that has schoolbooks showing Hitler to be a hero,
that's India and India alone.
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-27 03:02:08 UTC
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Why would aussies praise Hitler? Nobody praises somebody they are
trying to outdo.

Adi Anant
Hunter1
2005-08-27 03:37:56 UTC
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Post by Marcus Aurelius
praise Hitler
Yes, that is what you hindutva nazis do, and funny how you never seem to
deny that. Must realise it'd take me no time to prove you a liar.
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-27 04:14:48 UTC
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You can't even prove you have a brain, retard.
Forget about proving falsities.

Adi Anant
Hunter1
2005-08-27 04:19:06 UTC
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can't even prove have a brain
No, you can't.....
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-23 06:52:20 UTC
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Australia to accept Nazi....

Monday, 3 January, 2000, 05:12 GMT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/587551.stm

" Australia says an alleged war criminal staying in a British old
people's home is free to return. "

"Mr Kalejs, who has already been deported from the US and Canada over
the allegations, believes he will be safe in Australia."
Hunter1
2005-08-25 00:14:41 UTC
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Yawnnn.... Is that all you've got??


GENOCIDE OF MUSLIMS IN MODERN DAY INDIA
http://www.countercurrents.org/gujarat-hrw010703.htm

India: Gujarat Massacre Cases Sabotaged

Human Rights Watch

01 July, 2003

The ringleaders of massacres committed in 2002 are still roaming free in
Gujarat, Human Rights Watch charged in a new report released today.

The 70-page report, Compounding Injustice: The Government's Failure to
Redress Massacres in Gujarat, examines the record of state authorities
in holding perpetrators accountable and providing humanitarian relief to
victims of state-supported massacres of Muslims in February and March 2002.

Human Rights Watch urged the federal government to take over cases of
large-scale massacres where the state government has sabotaged
investigations. On June 27, a Gujarat state court acquitted twenty-one
people accused of burning alive twelve Muslims in a bakery in Vadodara.
Thirty-five of the seventy-three witnesses reportedly retracted in court
the statements they had given to the police identifying the attackers.

"The government's record on the massacres is appalling," said Smita
Narula, senior researcher for Human Rights Watch and author of the
report. "Sixteen months after the beginning of the violence, not a
single person has been convicted."

More than one hundred Muslims have been charged under India's
much-criticized Prevention of Terrorism Act (POTA) for their alleged
involvement in the train massacre in Godhra. No Hindus have been charged
under POTA in connection with the violence against Muslims, which the
government continues to dismiss as spontaneous and unorganized.

Although the Indian government initially boasted of thousands of arrests
following the attacks, most of those arrested have since been acquitted,
released on bail with no further action taken, or simply let go. Police
regularly downgrade serious charges to lesser crimes - from murder or
rape to rioting, for example - and alter victims' statements to delete
the names of the accused.

Even when cases reach trial, Muslim victims face biased prosecutors and
judges. Hindu and Muslim lawyers representing Muslim victims, and
doctors providing medical relief to them, have also faced harassment and
threats.

Hundreds of women and girls were brutally raped, mutilated, and burnt to
death in Gujarat. The police have refused to pursue these cases.

In numerous instances, and in an effort to cover up their own
participation in the violence, the police have instituted false cases
against men and women injured in police shootings.

Living conditions for more than 100,000 people displaced by the violence
continue to be grossly inadequate. For months they resided in makeshift
relief camps with little support from the state. By the end of October
2002, the government had closed most of the camps, forcing some families
back into neighborhoods where their attackers still live and where their
security is continuously threatened. Most people interviewed by Human
Rights Watch received negligible amounts to compensate for the
destruction of their homes, ranging from a few hundred to a few thousand
rupees, or less than one hundred dollars.

Hindus in Gujarat have suffered as well, Human Rights Watch said.
Thousands of small businesses owned by Hindus closed down during the
violence. The relatives of the Hindus killed in Godhra have been denied
redress and some face economic destitution. The Human Rights Watch
report also documents and strongly condemns the September 2002 massacre
of Hindus at Akshardham in Gandhinagar, Gujarat's capital.

Hindu nationalist groups continue to arm civilians in Gujarat and many
other Indian states. Instead of cracking down on these groups, the
Gujarat state Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) government has included the
distribution of arms as part of its election manifesto.

In December 2002, the BJP won by a landslide in Gujarat state elections.
Using posters and videotapes of the Godhra massacre, and rhetoric that
depicted Muslims as terrorists intent on destroying the Hindu community,
the party gained the most seats in areas affected by the communal violence.

In states that go to the polls later this year, such as Rajasthan and
Madhya Pradesh, potentially explosive campaigns are already in full
swing. Members of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council, VHP)
are distributing weapons similar to those used in Gujarat, as well as
literature depicting Muslims as sexual deviants and terrorists. Members
of both communities live in fear that a simple altercation could become
the pretext for large-scale violence.

The Human Rights Watch report also examines the recruitment of Dalits
(so-called untouchables) and tribals (indigenous peoples) in the
violence against Muslims in Gujarat, and the subsequent scapegoating of
these communities in police arrests. Since the events of last year,
Christians in the state have also come under renewed administrative,
legislative, and physical attack.

The Human Rights Watch report includes forty detailed recommendations to
Indian authorities and the international community. Human Rights Watch
called on the Indian government to act immediately to prevent further
attacks, end impunity, and deliver meaningful assistance to those
displaced and dispossessed by the violence.

For Human Rights Watch's original report on the 2002 massacres of
Muslims and Hindus in Gujarat, "We Have No Orders to Save You," please
see http://hrw.org/reports/2002/india/.

Testimony from the report Compounding Injustice: The Government's
Failure to Redress Massacres in Gujarat

Khalid Noor Mohammed Sheikh lost nine family members in the February
2002 massacre in Naroda Patia, Ahmedabad, including his pregnant
thirty-year-old daughter Kauser Bano. Her belly was cut open and the
fetus was pulled out and hacked to pieces before she was killed:

I took [my daughter] Kauser to the hospital for delivery the day before
the attack. She was ready to deliver. But the doctor said there was time
and to come back in the morning. But there was no morning after. By then
it was all over. And the tragedy is that the people who ripped my
daughter's child out of her body and killed her are walking about
freely. Why does it have to be this way?. Please make every effort that
the criminals get punished. Even if they don't get punished a lot, they
should at least get punished a little.. They keep going on about Muslim
terrorists, but who are the terrorists? Those who torture Muslims so
much should be punished a bit. In a family of nine, I am the only
survivor. Whom should I live for now?

R. Bibi's thirty-six-year-old son was killed by the police in Naroda
Patia:

A lot happened that day. The crowds came. Everything was destroyed. We
didn't know what was going on, that something was going to happen. We
were just doing our work. Suddenly there was an attack. They were raping
women. Then they were killing them, burning them and cutting them up
into pieces. The police killed my son. They shot him.. The government
tells us to bring proof when we go to ask for [compensation].. My life
was taken away when they shot my son. Everything has been taken away and
now they want evidence, where will I get the body from? I wasn't even
able to see his body.. They stole everything, they burnt everything,
they killed people, and [Rs. 1,250 (U.S.$27)] is all we got. Now my
daughters go and do housework in other people's homes. They wash dishes,
they sweep and clean.. We find some way to fill our stomachs. Somehow we
have to survive.. It's too much. Even now we have no relief.

Nishith Acharya is a volunteer at the Akshardham cultural complex in
Gandhinagar and was an eyewitness to the September 2002 massacre of
Hindus there:

They threw something inside, a grenade, into the bookstore. By God's
grace it did not explode in the bookstore. One middle-aged lady tried to
come out. They fired on her, and she was immediately killed. They
started moving ahead and went to the podium. I had no weapons and no one
in the campus had weapons [so as] to preserve the sanctity of the
place.. They threw a grenade inside [an exhibition hall]. It exploded
and they started firing on the public. Many people were injured. There
were many casualties.. People were killed there also. One volunteer
opened all the doors to let the people out. So they threw a grenade at
the entrance part and did firing also. Maximum casualties were there..
The room was full of blood.

During the embargo period, the new report is available at:
http://docs.hrw.org/embargo/india0703/, using the username "gujarat2k3"
and access code "injustice2k3." After the embargo period, please see:
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2003//india0703/.


For more information, please contact:
In New York, Smita Narula: (English, Hindi/Urdu, French):
+ 1 917 209 6902 (c), +1 212 216 1253 (w)
In New York, Joe Saunders: +1 212 216 1216
In London, Urmi Shah: +44 207 713 2788
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Australia to accept Nazi....
Monday, 3 January, 2000, 05:12 GMT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/587551.stm
" Australia says an alleged war criminal staying in a British old
people's home is free to return. "
"Mr Kalejs, who has already been deported from the US and Canada over
the allegations, believes he will be safe in Australia."
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-25 01:15:16 UTC
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Your sources, like you, are idiotic.
750 Mohamedans and 250 Hindus dies in riots touched off by the genocide
of 59 Hindu women and children by a Mohamedan mob. And still:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3234606.stm

Tuesday, 25 November, 2003, 17:41 GMT

"Twelve Hindus have been given life prison sentences in India's Gujarat
state for killing Muslims in religious riots last year."

You see, in India, we punish the guilty. You aussies protect the most
hideous of policies and people alive today.

How many aussies have been prosecuted for the genocide of the
Aborigines? For the deaths of refugees? How can a modern state keep
concentration camps for helpless people, and yet claim to be civilized?

You don't have any answer to these questions, because you are just a
dumb fuck retarded aussie nazi.

Adi Anant
unknown
2005-08-25 03:13:02 UTC
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On 24 Aug 2005 18:15:16 -0700, "Marcus Aurelius"
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Your sources, like you, are idiotic.
750 Mohamedans and 250 Hindus dies in riots touched off by the genocide
The biggest criminal, now ratified by world opinion is still very much
in power and running the racist Hindu state of Gujarat. No one can
touch him and even the US Gujarati Patel community invited him in
Florida to thank him for carnage of innocent Muslim he so successfully
planned and executed in Gujarat.

And even the inquiry by Indian bureaucrats has revealed that fire was
ignited from inside. These poor vendors who make their living by
selling tea and snacks only reacted when their young girls was
kidnapped by these extremist and racist Hindu Kaarsevaks( vote bank of
RSS, BJP, VHP, Sangh and other Hindu extremist parties)
Post by Marcus Aurelius
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3234606.stm
Tuesday, 25 November, 2003, 17:41 GMT
"Twelve Hindus have been given life prison sentences in India's Gujarat
state for killing Muslims in religious riots last year."
12 Hindus out of thousands guilty is a window dressing dear. All
others acquitted.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
You see, in India, we punish the guilty.
How many punished for Sikh killing in 1984???
Post by Marcus Aurelius
You aussies protect the most
hideous of policies and people alive today.
How many aussies have been prosecuted for the genocide of the
Aborigines? For the deaths of refugees? How can a modern state keep
concentration camps for helpless people, and yet claim to be civilized?
You don't have any answer to these questions, because you are just a
dumb fuck retarded aussie nazi.
Adi Anant
When picking on Ausies, do not forget Shudras, Kasmiris, Sikhs ,
Nagaas, Assamese and of course Gujarati Muslim.
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-25 03:51:13 UTC
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The biggest criminal was mohamed. And you know it.
No amount of baseless ranting will remove that stain from pisslam.

Adi Anant
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2005-08-26 08:16:24 UTC
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Post by unknown
The biggest criminal, now ratified by world opinion is still very much
in power and running the racist Hindu state of Gujarat. No one can
touch him and even the US Gujarati Patel community invited him in
Florida to thank him for carnage of innocent Muslim he so successfully
planned and executed in Gujarat.
The biggest criminal I know of are Saudi Arabians who have provided funds to
Bin Laden to carry out attacks in the USA and around the world. Now that is
real terrorism and an act of war.
unknown
2005-08-26 15:37:39 UTC
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On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:16:24 +1000, "Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri"
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Post by unknown
The biggest criminal, now ratified by world opinion is still very much
in power and running the racist Hindu state of Gujarat. No one can
touch him and even the US Gujarati Patel community invited him in
Florida to thank him for carnage of innocent Muslim he so successfully
planned and executed in Gujarat.
The biggest criminal I know of are Saudi Arabians who have provided funds to
Bin Laden to carry out attacks in the USA and around the world. Now that is
real terrorism and an act of war.
But elite Saudis and even the Bin ladens ( rest of the fmily) are
great friends of Republicans. If one becomes lunatic, how can you
blame th whole family?? All Amricans cannot be blamed or the blue eyed
deeds of Timothy Mcveigh , can we ????
Hunter1
2005-08-26 16:05:10 UTC
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Post by Marcus Aurelius
Your sources, like you, are idiotic.
Your sources, like you, are not just idiotic but truly pathetic.
Greenleft???? Get a fucking life you moron......
Post by Marcus Aurelius
750 Mohamedans and 250 Hindus dies in riots touched off by the genocide
of 59 Hindu women and children by a Mohamedan mob.
Over 2000 Muslims are raped, tortured and murdered in riots touched off
by an accidental fire used as an excuse by hindutva nazis to go on a
genocidal subhuman pogrom of destruction.
And still?
Post by Marcus Aurelius
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3234606.stm
Tuesday, 25 November, 2003, 17:41 GMT
"Twelve Hindus have been given life prison sentences in India's Gujarat
state for killing Muslims in religious riots last year."
12 out of thousands??? Fuck, you bloody little heroes.... What happened
to the 50+ politicians that were being investigated for their
complicity????
Post by Marcus Aurelius
You see, in India, we punish the guilty.
No, you offer scapegoats and murder the innocent.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
You aussies protect the most
hideous of policies and people alive today.
It's you guys that worship hitler in your schools, no other country on
this entire fucking planet that I know of has lowered themselves to such
a pathetic level.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
How many aussies have been prosecuted for the genocide of the
Aborigines?
They're all fucking dead, unlike the thousands of hindutva nazis
responsible for the genocide in Gujarat a mere few years ago that are
STILL RUNNING THE STATE!
Post by Marcus Aurelius
For the deaths of refugees?
Why? Did you murder some? YOU BASTARD!
Post by Marcus Aurelius
How can a modern state keep
concentration camps for helpless people, and yet claim to be civilized?
Can a modern state promote and condone a city of paedophiles, have a
state run by genocidal lunatics, murder over 55,000 of it's own people
due to an assassination not committed by any of those murdered, and
still be considered not to be a leftover from the caveman era?
Post by Marcus Aurelius
You don't have any answer to these questions,
You're the one with no answers you sick fuck nazi.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
because you are just a
dumb fuck retarded aussie nazi.
Go back to Goa, your daughter needs more masking tape after you let harm
and jai go through her.
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-23 07:08:51 UTC
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Synagogue desecrated in Australia

04.24.05
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3076693,00.html

"Newcastle, Australia synagogue spray-painted with swastikas, Nazi
references such as 'Hitler was 'ere,' 'Jews must die' and
'Six million more' "

Target practice by aussie nazis.

Adi Anant
Hunter1
2005-08-25 00:27:30 UTC
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Yawnnn.... Is that all you've got??


ARYAN INVADERS OPPRESSION OF NATIVE PEOPLE OF INDIA
http://www.dalitvoice.org/about.htm


DALIT — The Black Untouchables of India constitute about 20% of India's
over 1,000 million population. Together with 10% Tribals, they make up a
formidable 30% — far exceeding the population of entire Europe.
But such a vast humanity, constituting the core of India's original
inhabitants, is kept enslaved by less than 15% alien Aryans, India's
ruling class.

Dalit Voice was the first Indian journal to expose this closely guarded
secret and shock the outside world and make history.
That is how Dalit Voice has become the organ of the entire deprived
destitutes of India, the original home of racism.
Started in 1981 by V.T. Rajshekar, its Editor and founder, Dalit Voice,
the English fortnightly, has become the country's most powerful "Voice
of the Persecuted Nationalities Denied Human Rights".

A veteran journalist, formerly of the Indian Express, powerful and
fearless writer, V.T. Rajshekar, had to face the wrath of the ruling
class, arrested many times, several jail sentences, passport impounded
and subjected to total media boycott.

Published in several Indian languages including Hindi, Dalit Voice has
become the sole spokesman for the entire deprived, dehumanised lot of
India. Besides the Dalits, it looks after the interests of Backward
Castes (35%) and the country's three persecuted religious minorities —
Muslims 15%, Christians 2.5%, and Sikhs 2.5% — all victims of the Aryan
Brahminical racism. Plus the women of all sections including the Hindu
women.

In the course of the last 25 years, DV has become India's largest
circulated journal of the oppressed, fighting against mainstream dailies
and periodicals which have totally ignored the plight of the original
inhabitants. Hence DV is rightly hailed as a new experiment in Indian
journalism.

Only DV has diagnosed the disease of India which is an exception to all
other countries in the world. If others have only "classes", India has
not only the "class" but the world's most unique institution of caste
system, which is the other word for racism. Here lies the success of DV.
It goes to all world famous libraries, universities and invited many
Afro-American delegations to India.

Its Editor is hailed as India's most original thinker, scholar and also
philosopher. As India's most famous Dalit writer, he has authored over
60 world-famous books dealing with the problems of caste, ethnicity,
Muslims, Christian, Sikhs, Marxism, Brahminism, Racism, Gandhism,
Fascism etc.

Over 100 books have been published by the Dalit Sahitya Akademy, its
sister organisation, also headed by the Editor.
His book, Dalit - The Black Untouchables of India, published from the
USA (Clarity Press, Inc., Suite 469, 3277 - Roswell Rd NE, Atlanta,
GA.30305, ISBN 0-932863-05-1 , 2003 - 2nd print), has gone into several
reprints uniting for the first time the Blacks of the world with the
Black Untouchables of India.

His most important book, Caste — A Nation Within the Nation, which has
gone into second print, is a marvellous thesis offering an ingenious
weapon of "caste identity" to defeat Brahminism, the destructive
ideology of the ruling class. In the latest Parliament election, the
oppressed castes of India used this weapon and defeated the country's
Brahminical party (BJP).

DV becomes the future media of India where its dailies and periodicals
are slowly dying. Because only DV offers a lasting solution as the
authentic voice of the country's tallest titan, Dr. B.R. Ambedkar, the
Father of India.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Synagogue desecrated in Australia
04.24.05
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3076693,00.html
"Newcastle, Australia synagogue spray-painted with swastikas, Nazi
references such as 'Hitler was 'ere,' 'Jews must die' and
'Six million more' "
Target practice by aussie nazis.
Adi Anant
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-25 01:26:22 UTC
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So the hate-site "dalitstan.org" is the sole source of your rants?

"Australia has also has a very racist past in which apartheid has been
practiced and where indigenous Aboriginal people have lost almost all
their land and suffered many prejudices. In the past, the notorious
policy that led to the "Lost Generation" was practiced. This was
the institutionalized attempt to breed out the Aboriginal people."

"'Australia is the only developed country whose government has been
condemned as racist by the United Nations' "

And it still welcomes nazis while it drowns and imprisons other
refugees.

THIS is a country that you want to compare India to? A weak India went
to war with a much stronger China just for the sake of the helpless
Tibetans.

What has australia to be proud of? Racism? Bigotry? Genocide? Murder
and slavery? Stealing children from the Aborigines? Welcoming nazis?

*spit*

Adi Anant
Hunter1
2005-08-27 00:33:47 UTC
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Post by Marcus Aurelius
So the hate-site "dalitstan.org" is the sole source of your rants?
Yawwwwnnnnn.... so the hate-site "greenleft.org.au" is the sole source
of your rants? Fucking hypocrite moron.... You hindutva nazis are really
big on double standards aren't you, afraid that doesn't work with
someone that likes playing Devil's advocate, whatever you play I'm going
to play right back at you. So sorry to be making a loser of you, happy
hello and all that.
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-27 03:38:06 UTC
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Aussie to face sex charges in Goa
18 Aug. The Australian. After more than a decade on the run, Wulf Ingo
Werner was handed into police custody in New Dehli earlier this month
without fanfare. The 54-year-old allegedly procured boys from an
orphanage in the seaside city of Goa, run by notorious pedophile Freddy
Peats, during three trips in 1987, 1988 and 1989.

Friend of yours?

Adi Anant
Hunter1
2005-08-27 04:03:10 UTC
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UK COPS HUNT FOR INDIAN PAEDOPHILE
LONDON: Scotland Yard is trailing a UK-based Indian paedophile who fled
to India just days after a tabloid revealed how he tried to seduce an
undercover reporter posing as a 12-year-old girl. Thirty-year-old Karan
Singh Randhawa, father of two, used the Internet to arrange to meet the
Sunday Mirror investigator at a park in West Drayton, Middlesex. After
the story appeared, Randhawa was suspended from his job as a warden with
the Kingston Borough Council. Shortly afterwards he disappeared, leaving
his wife and two young children behind. — PTI


Looks like there's Indian paedophiles out there too, the sick bastards
can spring up in any country.

BUT ONLY ONE COUNTRY INTENTIONALLY RUNS A PAEDOPHILE HAVEN FOR THE
TOURIST DOLLAR DESPITE THE WORLD ASKING THEM TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!


"As paedophiles roam the streets of Goa, the state government has looked
the other way in its quest for more tourism revenues. And Parrikar has
been sitting tight on an explosive report on child-related sex crimes
perpetrated by foreigners since 2001. He has buried the report because
he does not want the report to affect the state's tourism revenues. The
latest government statistics show that 3,21,399 foreign tourists visited
Goa between April 2003 to March 2004 and the state earned Rs 3,000 crore
in foreign exchange. In 2001, the UK government commissioned a top-notch
former police investigator, Ric Wood, to map the extent of
tourism-related paedophilia in Goa. Over a two-week period, Wood
compiled 37 case histories showing the extent of paedophilia. The report
suggests that it is virtually impossible to quantify how many
paedophiles visit Goa every year. It's been almost a decade since
Interpol declared Goa as the upcoming paedophile destination. Yet the
government of India has slipped into deep slumber ...A five-month
undercover investigation conducted by Tehelka has revealed that hundreds
of Europeans -- British, Germans, Dutch, French, Swiss and Swedish--
visit Goa to seek children for sexual gratification. They come to Goa
because it is easy, and cheap, to sexually abuse a child here. On the
run after crackdowns on cheap child-sex tourism in Thailand and Sri
Lanka, thepaedophile bus has rolled into Goa. And turned the
picture-postcard tourism destination into an arena of perversity and of
horrors. Goa has made an alarming transition from being a laid-back
resort to a paedophile's paradise. And the government, despite knowledge
of this debased crime, despite alerts from international agencies,
chooses to look the other way."
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Aussie to face sex charges in Goa
18 Aug. The Australian. After more than a decade on the run, Wulf Ingo
Werner was handed into police custody in New Dehli earlier this month
without fanfare. The 54-year-old allegedly procured boys from an
orphanage in the seaside city of Goa, run by notorious pedophile Freddy
Peats, during three trips in 1987, 1988 and 1989.
Friend of yours?
Adi Anant
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-27 04:11:59 UTC
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Aussie to face sex charges in Goa
18 Aug. The Australian. After more than a decade on the run, Wulf Ingo
Werner was handed into police custody in New Dehli earlier this month
without fanfare. The 54-year-old allegedly procured boys from an
orphanage in the seaside city of Goa, run by notorious pedophile Freddy
Peats, during three trips in 1987, 1988 and 1989.

Tsk, tsk. These aussies.

Adi Anant
Hunter1
2005-08-27 04:18:02 UTC
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UK COPS HUNT FOR INDIAN PAEDOPHILE
LONDON: Scotland Yard is trailing a UK-based Indian paedophile who fled
to India just days after a tabloid revealed how he tried to seduce an
undercover reporter posing as a 12-year-old girl. Thirty-year-old Karan
Singh Randhawa, father of two, used the Internet to arrange to meet the
Sunday Mirror investigator at a park in West Drayton, Middlesex. After
the story appeared, Randhawa was suspended from his job as a warden with
the Kingston Borough Council. Shortly afterwards he disappeared, leaving
his wife and two young children behind. — PTI


Looks like there's Indian paedophiles out there too, the sick bastards
can spring up in any country.

BUT ONLY ONE COUNTRY INTENTIONALLY RUNS A PAEDOPHILE HAVEN FOR THE
TOURIST DOLLAR DESPITE THE WORLD ASKING THEM TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!


"As paedophiles roam the streets of Goa, the state government has looked
the other way in its quest for more tourism revenues. And Parrikar has
been sitting tight on an explosive report on child-related sex crimes
perpetrated by foreigners since 2001. He has buried the report because
he does not want the report to affect the state's tourism revenues. The
latest government statistics show that 3,21,399 foreign tourists visited
Goa between April 2003 to March 2004 and the state earned Rs 3,000 crore
in foreign exchange. In 2001, the UK government commissioned a top-notch
former police investigator, Ric Wood, to map the extent of
tourism-related paedophilia in Goa. Over a two-week period, Wood
compiled 37 case histories showing the extent of paedophilia. The report
suggests that it is virtually impossible to quantify how many
paedophiles visit Goa every year. It's been almost a decade since
Interpol declared Goa as the upcoming paedophile destination. Yet the
government of India has slipped into deep slumber ...A five-month
undercover investigation conducted by Tehelka has revealed that hundreds
of Europeans -- British, Germans, Dutch, French, Swiss and Swedish--
visit Goa to seek children for sexual gratification. They come to Goa
because it is easy, and cheap, to sexually abuse a child here. On the
run after crackdowns on cheap child-sex tourism in Thailand and Sri
Lanka, thepaedophile bus has rolled into Goa. And turned the
picture-postcard tourism destination into an arena of perversity and of
horrors. Goa has made an alarming transition from being a laid-back
resort to a paedophile's paradise. And the government, despite knowledge
of this debased crime, despite alerts from international agencies,
chooses to look the other way."
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Aussie to face sex charges in Goa
18 Aug. The Australian. After more than a decade on the run, Wulf Ingo
Werner was handed into police custody in New Dehli earlier this month
without fanfare. The 54-year-old allegedly procured boys from an
orphanage in the seaside city of Goa, run by notorious pedophile Freddy
Peats, during three trips in 1987, 1988 and 1989.
Tsk, tsk. These aussies.
Adi Anant
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2005-08-24 09:01:38 UTC
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Post by Hunter1
Nazism - Its Brahmanic Origin
by Kalimuthu Dhanasekaran
From Call Centres to Brahmanic Nazism ... one wonders what the connection
is! Must be a fact that Hunter could not argue with my points or anyone
elses.
Hunter1
2005-08-25 00:30:10 UTC
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Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Post by Hunter1
Nazism - Its Brahmanic Origin
by Kalimuthu Dhanasekaran
From Call Centres to Brahmanic Nazism ... one wonders what the connection
is! Must be a fact that Hunter could not argue with my points or anyone
elses.
Learn to read, your faggot buddy mucous arseholeias was the one that
couldn't respond to a single point in my post and started pasting in
news articles, I merely reciprocated.

Don't they teach literacy to you hindutva terrorists when you're
learning how to rape children of other religions?
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-25 02:45:41 UTC
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You make points?! Pasting opinionated propaganda is not called 'making
a point' , retard.
Since when have you 'answered' any points about aussie nazism? Even the
UN calls you a racist nation. (Nation, hah! More like a gang of thugs).

Adi Anant
unknown
2005-08-25 03:31:09 UTC
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On 24 Aug 2005 19:45:41 -0700, "Marcus Aurelius"
Post by Marcus Aurelius
You make points?! Pasting opinionated propaganda is not called 'making
a point' , retard.
Since when have you 'answered' any points about aussie nazism? Even the
UN calls you a racist nation. (Nation, hah! More like a gang of thugs).
Adi Anant
If this gang of thugs( Aussie) ever allow Indians to come without
visa, India will be emptied out. Only holy cows, Hanumans& stray dogs
will be strolling in Delhi and of course much happier as they dont
have to see early morning open toilet show and sniff Hindu shit aroma.
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-25 03:48:31 UTC
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Moving to new lands is a good and courageous thing to do. Moving to new
lands and kiling off the original inhabitants is thuggish behavior.
But I would excuse you for not understanding the difference - since you
are a mohamedan.

Adi Anant
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2005-08-26 08:17:20 UTC
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Post by unknown
If this gang of thugs( Aussie) ever allow Indians to come without
visa, India will be emptied out. Only holy cows, Hanumans& stray dogs
will be strolling in Delhi and of course much happier as they dont
have to see early morning open toilet show and sniff Hindu shit aroma.
Thats is why so many Muslims are in detention centres here!
Hunter1
2005-08-27 00:29:38 UTC
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Post by Marcus Aurelius
You make points?! Pasting opinionated propaganda is not called 'making
a point' , retard.
Well how about you retarded hindutva nazis stop posting opinionated
propaganda then huh??? Fucking moron.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Since when have you 'answered' any points about aussie nazism?
Since when have you 'answered' any points about Indian nazism?
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Even the
UN calls you a racist nation. (Nation, hah! More like a gang of thugs).
Even the UN call you a racist nation. (Nation, hah! More like a gang of
thugs).

See how easy it is to throw your "opinionated propaganda" right back at
you? No maybe you could try something new, try some actual FACTS!
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-27 03:40:24 UTC
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UN's reports are not facts?

All right, retard. At least you admit not having any link to reality.

Adi Anant
Hunter1
2005-08-27 03:50:27 UTC
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Post by Marcus Aurelius
UN's reports are not facts?
Are they facts when they condemn India???? Do you accept everything they
say about India??? If so I'll dig up a bunch of it for you and see you
leap like a frog in boiling water to back peddle, if not then you admit
that you're a hypocrite, you really can't win this one I'm afraid.
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2005-08-27 05:55:32 UTC
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Post by Hunter1
Well how about you retarded hindutva nazis stop posting opinionated
propaganda then huh??? Fucking moron.
Poor sod sounds like a broken record. Hehehehehe ...
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2005-08-27 05:54:43 UTC
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Post by Hunter1
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
From Call Centres to Brahmanic Nazism ... one wonders what the connection
is! Must be a fact that Hunter could not argue with my points or anyone
elses.
Learn to read, your faggot buddy mucous arseholeias was the one that
couldn't respond to a single point in my post and started pasting in
news articles, I merely reciprocated.
Loser! who gives a damn.
Seeker
2005-08-22 06:10:29 UTC
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Post by Hunter1
Yep, Gujarat is in India, not Australia. That's where the nazis
periodically commit genocide in this day and age. Shame on India.
Hinduism provided the philosophical background to Hitler and Nazism via the
Theosophical Society of Madras , India. Nazis and Hindus are one and the
same.
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-23 06:20:04 UTC
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pisslamists like you have always twisted words to hide your bloody
past.
where do you think Nazis got the idea of mindless repetetion to dull
the mind against reason - pisslam was their model.
The Hindu Arya is a noble soul.
Neither pisslam nor nazism understand nobility of soul.
QED

Adi Anant
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2005-08-26 08:19:16 UTC
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Seeker <***@dont.reply> wrote in message
news:k%
Post by Seeker
Hinduism provided the philosophical background to Hitler and Nazism via the
Theosophical Society of Madras , India. Nazis and Hindus are one and the
same.
I guess it does in your dreams. However we all know the truth about Muslims
now days. 9/11 is one incident encouraged by that unHoly book called the
Koran written by a pig called
Mo HAM MAD (what a name)!
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2005-08-26 08:06:32 UTC
Permalink
Hunter is so unable to argue his/her point of view (s)he uses theories to
try to discredit others.
Post by Hunter1
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Nazis are infamous because the Jews found supporters. The Aborigines
did not, and few recall the horrible fate that befell these gentle
people.
a> Their culture is far from gentle liar. Just like any "old" culture.
b> The criminals that murdered Aboriginals in a bygone day are all dead
and dust, unlike the nazis of world war II or the Hindu nazis of India
such as yourself. They still are alive to pay for their sins, only
fuckheads like you protect them.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Are aussies any better than nazis?
Yep, Gujarat is in India, not Australia. That's where the nazis
periodically commit genocide in this day and age. Shame on India.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Or are they just benefitting
from their crimes being hidden from the world?
Much like the Aryans in relation to the Dravidians I suppose. You Hindu
nazis seem to make a sport of spotting the occasional bad thing in other
countries but pretend to ignore the horrible stench in your own country.
Hunter1
2005-08-27 00:24:01 UTC
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Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Hunter is so unable to argue his/her point of view (s)he uses theories to
try to discredit others.
Really? Want to point to an example of where I've responded to an actual
literate fact with theory???

While you're at it why don't you tell us all why, if you/jai/harm all
pretend to love India so much, why exactly every one of you hindutva
nazis have fled India to live in the West?

(yawnnnn, yes nelly, go and hide under a rock again....)
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2005-08-27 05:53:24 UTC
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Post by Hunter1
Yes, it lured and trapped morons. You are dead correct. We should not
give our financial details to corrupt dishonest morons, so we should
avoid Indian callcentres. Glad you agree!
Cry all you like companies will offshore and there is not much you can do.
All this screeming and crying makes me laugh, no industrialist cares one bit
only interested in profits.
Hunter1
2005-08-27 06:08:36 UTC
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Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Post by Hunter1
Yes, it lured and trapped morons. You are dead correct. We should not
give our financial details to corrupt dishonest morons, so we should
avoid Indian callcentres. Glad you agree!
Cry all you like companies will offshore and there is not much you can do.
All this screeming and crying makes me laugh, no industrialist cares one bit
only interested in profits.
Exactly, and that is what is making me laugh, I see a lot of marsupials
clacking their claws on keyboards screaming about how great Indian
outsourcing is, yet I also am starting to see people doing an about face
and pulling back out of India to avoid the lack of quality, lack of
reliability and lack of honesty. Give it 10 years and your outsourcing
industry will have collapsed and Malaysia and China will control the
outsourcing market. So sorry happy hello night night India! 8]

Hunter1
2005-08-20 06:54:00 UTC
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Funny, only seems to be happening in India in a big way though. .
More troll from the yapping dog .... on ABC TV 4 Corners
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2005/s1435556.htm
Recently about 130,000 Australians became casualties of a massive theft of
data that compromised the details of up to 40 million people worldwide.
Cyber criminals hacked into a US-based credit card processing company,
CardSystem Solutions, which processed transactions for Visa and Mastercard.
This crime was first detected not in America but in the backrooms of the
National Australia Bank's Melbourne fraud unit.
No Indians worked there!!!! 40 million peoples information was leaked.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, no, I'm sure no Indians worked there, as if you were
even semi-literate you fool you'd realise that that is where they
DETECTED the fraud not where the fraud HAPPENED! You fucking idiot
clown! BWAHAHAAHAHAHAH!

Funny though, they bring up India in the very same article you mention to :

"Can cyber-theft be countered? Experts who police the net are
pessimistic, not least because so much personal data now exists in
insecure data banks around the world. Recently the Sun newspaper in the
UK exposed a data-selling racket by employees of Indian call centres
that service large global companies.

Now Four Corners has obtained evidence that individual Australians’
private data is for sale on the international market to anyone who is
willing to pay for it."

So what you're actually saying to us is : "ALL AUSTRALIANS WITH HALF A
BRAIN, REFUSE TO GIVE ANY FINANCIAL DETAILS TO ANY INDIAN CALL CENTRE,
BOYCOTT THE COMPANIES THAT USE THEM AND TELL THE MANAGEMENT OF THE
COMPANY WHY, BECAUSE THE DETAILS WILL BE SOLD ON THE WORLD MARKET IF YOU
DO SO! NELLY KASHMIRI HIMSELF FROM INDIA HAS HAPPILY SHOWN YOU THIS BY
POINTING TO AN ARTICLE THAT DOCUMENTS THIS".

Shit you're a brainiac aren't you nelly.... 8]
Full transcripts of the interviews can be found on
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2005/s1438338.htm
As you will see this is a problem that is a worldwide problem not just in
one country. There was even a discussion in Parliament on this, the fact is
that this is a new industry and it is one where through experience security
loopholes will be plugged. Even securit experts have been saying the same.
No, they're saying that the problem is the new trend in insecure
data-vaults. Sending your financial details to floor-sweepers being paid
peanuts to pretend to be call centre workers in India is a prime example
of this.
Also during the discussions in Parliament Australia has a looming problem
called the 54 11 problem. I am sure Hunter being so well versed will know
what it is. But just in case going by his past record I will tell him. Many
Public Servants will retire at the age of 54 Year and 11 Months this is
leading to a problem where we have not got enough young people to replace
the retirees, the peak will start to pick up in 2007 and be at its highest
in 2016.
So what???? Everyone seems to want to come and live here because it's
such a great country (I mean you hated India so much you ran away from
the place and moved here, you fucking hypocrite), I don't think we'll
have any problems plugging any holes in our skilled worker population.
This coupled with an ageeing population in the country where the replacement
rate of those dying by new births is not keeping pace. More people will
retire in the next 10 years then those coming into the workforce.
One of the big problems they have in this country is not just the cost of
labour but in fact the lack of people willing and able to work in call
centres.
Bullshit, plenty available, they just wont work for peanuts.
In fact Generation X and Y are showing no interest in such jobs,
not in trades like plumbing, building, etc.. so come what may the business
model of not just cutting labour costs but ensuring adequate number of
people to do these jobs is being outsoursed. Even Western Europe and North
America are in a similar situation.
Funny, we don't have any problems at all filling our trade courses, in
fact we can't keep up with the rate of people trying to get into them.
And you don't outsource trades even if you do have a shortage, you set
that as a criteria for people wanting to move into the country. And
since Australia is so much better a place to live than the hellholes
like you've run from, we'll never have any problem getting the skilled
immigrants that we may need from time to time. Bad luck nelly! 8]
But Hunter the mad dog will know all of this of course!
I'm just not taken in by your nazi anti-anything-thats-not-Hindu
propaganda nelly, now fuck off and die, there's a good lad.
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2005-08-27 06:07:54 UTC
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, no, I'm sure no Indians worked there, as if you were
even semi-literate you fool you'd realise that that is where they
DETECTED the fraud not where the fraud HAPPENED! You fucking idiot
clown! BWAHAHAAHAHAHAH!
Idiot that is why the finger was squarely pointed at the geographic location
in the USA and the company had shoddy operating environment.

Who gives a damn Indians and other countries will get the jobs so get used
to it dog.
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