Discussion:
Should HINDUS spare the MUSLIM TOMB?
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1Shiva
2004-11-08 02:24:34 UTC
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Below is an editorial (September) rant from a Paki newspaper. The
question is, whether or not to destroy the tomb of a murdering
swine-Muslim called Aurangzeb. The answer is quite clear: Destruction
and desecration of this animal's bones, is a light-hearted past-time,
compare to what this little piece of animal-doo-doo did in India.
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Tomb under threat

S. M. HALI
Hard-line Hindus plan to tear down the controversial tomb of the 17th
century, of Moghul Emperor Aurangzeb Alamgir's Muslim general Afzal
Khan, in a grim echo of the 1992 razing of a mosque that sparked some
of India's worst religious riots. Afzal Khan, an envoy of the Moghul
monarch met Shivaji to initiate peace talks on the hillock where the
tomb - and the ruins of Shivaji's Pratapgadh fort - now lies.
The general met Shivaji, but the king, who had deceitfully hidden a
dagger in his sleeve, stabbed him and buried Afzal Khan where he fell.
A statue of Shivaji now also stands on the hill and a right-wing Hindu
political party is named after him - the Shiv Sena, or Shivaji's army.
Vyankatesh Abdeo, a leader of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), which
started the campaign, declared that "We will climb the hill and
demolish his tomb."
The campaign organizers say they will bring 30,000 people to the site.
But police have pledged to stop them from damaging the tomb and to
prevent any violence. Muslims consider the tomb holy, and for years,
several have traveled there. But a year ago authorities closed off the
site because of the controversy.
Organizers of the campaign against the tomb have not explained why
they are moving to destroy it now, after years of controversy. Feroze
Mithiborwala, a convener of the Muslim Youth of India, commented:
"They are trying to build a momentum before elections. This shows that
there is total bankruptcy of ideas for right-wing parties in the
country." The renewed controversy comes as radical Hindu groups have
run alarm bells over census data released this week that appeared to
show a jump of almost 33 percent in the number of Muslims between 1991
and 2001.
Radical groups have long warned that higher Muslim birth rates could
eventually threaten India's Hindu majority - more than 80 percent of
the population. But the new figures were skewed by the inclusion of
Jammu and Kashmir, India's only Muslim majority state, in the 2001
census after it was left out in 1991 because of separatist violence.
Census officials on Thursday revised the growth rate to just over 29
percent, when adjusted for Kashmir.
The growth rate for Hindus was 20 percent over the same period.
India's long and varied history has left hundreds of places across the
country where Hindu and Muslim holy sites stand side by side,
sometimes triggering bloody conflicts.
In 1992, Hindu hardliners defied a court order and razed a 16th
century mosque which they said stood on the birthplace of the Hindu
lord-god Ram in the northern town of Ayodhya. That triggered India's
worst religious bloodshed since independence, killing about 3,000.
Vishwa Hindu Parishad Working President Ashok Singhal has tried to
justify the Gujarat riots. He gave a clean chit to Narenda Modi by
justifying the violence in the state following the Godhra carnage
saying it "had the blessings of Lord Rama". It may be noted that the
Gujarat carnage has been readmitted for hearing in Gujarat courts.
Mr. Singhal reiterated that the VHP would not rest and prepare for
‘any sacrifice' till the Ram temple in Ayodhya was built. The Sangh
Parivar hopes to garner votes by threatening to demolish Afzal Khan's
tomb atop Pratapgadh fort in Satara district this Sunday. "We had
given an ultimatum to the state Government that if it did not demolish
the objectionable construction then the job would be done by VHP and
Bajrang Dal activists", VHP International General Secretary Praveen
Togadia told reporters at Pune.
"Pratapgadh fort was a heritage that belonged to Chhatrapati Shivaji
and the unlawful construction at the tomb of a traitor was nothing but
an insult to every nationalist," the VHP leader said. Togadia also
attacked Prime Minister Manmohan Singh for his delayed pronouncement
that Veer Savarkar was a freedom fighter.
So far Shivaji has the status of an icon only in Mahrashtra. Hindutva
followers remember him for being the founder of Hindu rule in
opposition to the tyrannical Muslim rule (Hindu Padpadshahi). After
Gujarat riots and rise of Moditva (most rabid Anti-Muslim politics)
Mr. Togadia of VHP has been going round proclaiming that now their
politics is going to take up ‘project Hindu Padpadshahi of Shivaji',
in an effort to consolidate Hindu society.
A sad part of Shivaji's episode is that he was aided and abetted by
Muslims. When Shivaji was imprisoned in the Agra fort, his trusted
Muslim Lieutenant, Madari Mehtar assisted him escaping from the Agra
Fort. In his encounter with Afzal Khan, Shivaji was tipped off by a
Muslim Rustame Jaman. It has been meticulously documented as to how he
had a strong presence of Pathan soldiers in his army. Not only that,
many of his generals were Muslims, Darya Sarang was chief of armour,
Ibrahim Khan and Daulat Khan were prominent in his naval division,
Ibrahim Khan was chief of his cannon division. His confidential
secretary was Maulana Haider Ali.
It will be unfortunate if BJP and its allies carry out their heinous
task of demolishing Afzal Khan's tomb. Hindus have to accept the fact
that they cannot change the annals of history. They suffered defeats
at the hands of Babur and so many other Muslim rulers. Would they now
go about desecrating their tombs too and declaring them traitors? This
act of belligerence is nothing short of savagery and barbarism.
The writer is a retired Group Captain, currently a free lance
columnist
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2004-11-08 07:55:52 UTC
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I do not like Muslim momuments of any kind in India, the destruction of that
Mosque in Ayodhya was the right and proper thing to do, in fact any Mosque
built on Holy land has to be destroyed. Muslims will not let others build a
religious building in Mecca nor should we.

As to the tomb ... perhaps we need to retain it for a good reason and that
is to remind the people what their weakness cost and the price we are paying
for our weakness, stupidity and above all shying away from our not too
glorious past. Generations to come should be taught our history without
making any concessions to the Muslim hords and Christians who invaded our
land, we should feel ashamed for allowing the rape, occupation, destruction
and slavery of Hindus.

Why should we hide the truth about our past? We should also tell our history
as is and educate our people about the great Hero's like Shivaji. These are
our hero's and should be our role models. Indians need to learn from history
and we need to asert ourselves. We are 2nd to none, we have nothing to be
ashamed about as we live in our own country and it belongs to Hindus,
Budhists, Sikhs and Jains, first and fore most.

Muslims are swines but we are far worse for creating the kind of country we
have created and carry on digging our own graves. As one Indian student put
it to me here, We the new generations are paying the price and will continue
to pay the price of the previous generations, India is in a mess as the past
generations never addresses the issues.
Post by 1Shiva
Below is an editorial (September) rant from a Paki newspaper. The
question is, whether or not to destroy the tomb of a murdering
swine-Muslim called Aurangzeb. The answer is quite clear: Destruction
and desecration of this animal's bones, is a light-hearted past-time,
compare to what this little piece of animal-doo-doo did in India.
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Tomb under threat
S. M. HALI
koolfire_or
2004-11-08 10:08:14 UTC
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Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
I do not like Muslim momuments of any kind in India, the destruction of that
Mosque in Ayodhya was the right and proper thing to do, in fact any Mosque
built on Holy land has to be destroyed. Muslims will not let others build a
religious building in Mecca nor should we.
As to the tomb ... perhaps we need to retain it for a good reason and that
is to remind the people what their weakness cost and the price we are paying
for our weakness, stupidity and above all shying away from our not too
glorious past. Generations to come should be taught our history without
making any concessions to the Muslim hords and Christians who invaded our
land, we should feel ashamed for allowing the rape, occupation, destruction
and slavery of Hindus.
Why should we hide the truth about our past? We should also tell our history
as is and educate our people about the great Hero's like Shivaji. These are
our hero's and should be our role models. Indians need to learn from history
and we need to asert ourselves. We are 2nd to none, we have nothing to be
ashamed about as we live in our own country and it belongs to Hindus,
Budhists, Sikhs and Jains, first and fore most.
Muslims are swines but we are far worse for creating the kind of country we
have created and carry on digging our own graves. As one Indian student put
it to me here, We the new generations are paying the price and will continue
to pay the price of the previous generations, India is in a mess as the past
generations never addresses the issues.
Post by 1Shiva
Below is an editorial (September) rant from a Paki newspaper. The
question is, whether or not to destroy the tomb of a murdering
swine-Muslim called Aurangzeb. The answer is quite clear: Destruction
and desecration of this animal's bones, is a light-hearted past-time,
compare to what this little piece of animal-doo-doo did in India.
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Tomb under threat
S. M. HALI
today in india we have much better things to do,who has the time to do
this tomb breaking job,and why meddle with history.......why worry
about aurangazeb tomb,who is dead and gone.....its time for india to
go to the moon,and give it a look up.
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2004-11-14 21:59:18 UTC
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You can not let cancer spread it has to be treated and cut out. Will the
Muslims in India be happy about Indians going to the Moon? After all they
could issue a fatwa as the Moon is one of the symbols and idols of Islam.
Every Islamic nation has the moon cresent on their flag.
Post by koolfire_or
today in india we have much better things to do,who has the time to do
this tomb breaking job,and why meddle with history.......why worry
about aurangazeb tomb,who is dead and gone.....its time for india to
go to the moon,and give it a look up.
Harcon
2004-11-08 11:05:01 UTC
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[SNIP]
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
As to the tomb ... perhaps we need to retain it for a good reason and that
is to remind the people what their weakness cost and the price we are paying
for our weakness, stupidity and above all shying away from our not too
glorious past. Generations to come should be taught our history without
making any concessions to the Muslim hords and Christians who invaded our
land, we should feel ashamed for allowing the rape, occupation, destruction
and slavery of Hindus.
On this topic, you are aware that most of the rape, occupation,
destruction and slavery of Hindus within its history happened without
Muslims and Christians? Perhaps Generations should be taught about the
class system in Hinduism.
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Why should we hide the truth about our past? We should also tell our history
as is and educate our people about the great Hero's like Shivaji. These are
our hero's and should be our role models. Indians need to learn from history
and we need to asert ourselves. We are 2nd to none, we have nothing to be
ashamed about as we live in our own country and it belongs to Hindus,
Budhists, Sikhs and Jains, first and fore most.
The reality is, Shivaji as well as virtually all leaders of the time
had attempted solve any problem with the Sword. Religion has nothing
to do with it. After all, only those with shallow minds promote those
crooks who kill rival political/religious crooks under the banner of
Truce.
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Muslims are swines but we are far worse for creating the kind of country we
have created and carry on digging our own graves. As one Indian student put
it to me here, We the new generations are paying the price and will continue
to pay the price of the previous generations, India is in a mess as the past
generations never addresses the issues.
[SNIP]

Paying what price? The Muslim/Christian influance is bringing
prosperity. Ask the Untouchables of your society what price they are
paying for being the lowest class? Ask these same people why they
convert to Buddism/Islam/Christianity?

People like you should think and look at Ramakrishna as a Hindu role
model, not Shivaji, who sends his followers to die for him and stabs
people in the back under the banner of truce!
busharraf
2004-11-08 13:51:07 UTC
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Moron Wrote..........
Post by Harcon
On this topic, you are aware that most of the rape, occupation,
destruction and slavery of Hindus within its history happened without
Muslims and Christians? Perhaps Generations should be taught about the
class system in Hinduism.
Can you give a time line on that? Stupid moron.... there has always been a
class struggle through out the history. Communists killed several hundred
millions in just few decades. Hindus never killed anybody in an organized
fashion like you blood sucking muslims did. Land of hindus gave birth to
several offshoots who still live and prosper in India. You fucking muslims
wiped out every body else from pakiland, afganistan, etc.
Post by Harcon
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Why should we hide the truth about our past? We should also tell our history
as is and educate our people about the great Hero's like Shivaji. These are
our hero's and should be our role models. Indians need to learn from history
and we need to asert ourselves. We are 2nd to none, we have nothing to be
ashamed about as we live in our own country and it belongs to Hindus,
Budhists, Sikhs and Jains, first and fore most.
The reality is, Shivaji as well as virtually all leaders of the time
had attempted solve any problem with the Sword. Religion has nothing
to do with it. After all, only those with shallow minds promote those
crooks who kill rival political/religious crooks under the banner of
Truce.
Shivaji was a great hero who fucked the ass of a blood sucking muslim named
aurangzeb. Wish all the India was hindu instead peaceful buddhists when
blood sucking arab wannabe's started invading north west India.
Post by Harcon
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Muslims are swines but we are far worse for creating the kind of country we
have created and carry on digging our own graves. As one Indian student put
it to me here, We the new generations are paying the price and will continue
to pay the price of the previous generations, India is in a mess as the past
generations never addresses the issues.
[SNIP]
Paying what price? The Muslim/Christian influance is bringing
prosperity. Ask the Untouchables of your society what price they are
paying for being the lowest class? Ask these same people why they
convert to Buddism/Islam/Christianity?
People like you should think and look at Ramakrishna as a Hindu role
model, not Shivaji, who sends his followers to die for him and stabs
people in the back under the banner of truce!
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2004-11-14 21:59:50 UTC
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And what does a cunt like you know?
Post by Harcon
[SNIP]
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
As to the tomb ... perhaps we need to retain it for a good reason and that
is to remind the people what their weakness cost and the price we are paying
for our weakness, stupidity and above all shying away from our not too
glorious past. Generations to come should be taught our history without
making any concessions to the Muslim hords and Christians who invaded our
land, we should feel ashamed for allowing the rape, occupation, destruction
and slavery of Hindus.
On this topic, you are aware that most of the rape, occupation,
destruction and slavery of Hindus within its history happened without
Muslims and Christians? Perhaps Generations should be taught about the
class system in Hinduism.
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Why should we hide the truth about our past? We should also tell our history
as is and educate our people about the great Hero's like Shivaji. These are
our hero's and should be our role models. Indians need to learn from history
and we need to asert ourselves. We are 2nd to none, we have nothing to be
ashamed about as we live in our own country and it belongs to Hindus,
Budhists, Sikhs and Jains, first and fore most.
The reality is, Shivaji as well as virtually all leaders of the time
had attempted solve any problem with the Sword. Religion has nothing
to do with it. After all, only those with shallow minds promote those
crooks who kill rival political/religious crooks under the banner of
Truce.
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Muslims are swines but we are far worse for creating the kind of country we
have created and carry on digging our own graves. As one Indian student put
it to me here, We the new generations are paying the price and will continue
to pay the price of the previous generations, India is in a mess as the past
generations never addresses the issues.
[SNIP]
Paying what price? The Muslim/Christian influance is bringing
prosperity. Ask the Untouchables of your society what price they are
paying for being the lowest class? Ask these same people why they
convert to Buddism/Islam/Christianity?
People like you should think and look at Ramakrishna as a Hindu role
model, not Shivaji, who sends his followers to die for him and stabs
people in the back under the banner of truce!
Harcon
2004-11-15 10:54:27 UTC
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Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
And what does a cunt like you know?
[SNIP]

Amasing. Rather than accept Ramakrishna as a Hindu role model, as he
actually tried to acheive something, you regard Shivaji as a hero,
despite the fact that he created such fragmentation that it allowed
the brittish to seize power. I am sure that the hindu population find
it insulting that you find a hindu hero in a individual who is well
known from killing enemy leaders under a banner of truce, rather than
in someone who tries to promote the integrity of the religion such as
Ramakrishna.

Do you regard Ghandi is a cunt as well? I find it strange that rather
than give an answer, you spew off foul language. I call this Ignorance
on your part.
habshi
2004-11-15 12:59:13 UTC
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It was not Shivaji but his descendants who reconquered India from the Muslims- Rajasthan ,
Gujarat , MP etc. and would have kicked out Islam from the subcontinent if the Brits had not arrived
to save it .
Gandhi was indeed one because he had read the quran and chosen to ignore the Jihadi verses
which motivate Muslims with the result that India lost Hindu parts of Sindh and Assam and was left
with a huge Muslim population


On 15 Nov 2004 02:54:27 -0800, ***@hotmail.com (Harcon) wrote:


Amasing. Rather than accept Ramakrishna as a Hindu role model, as he
actually tried to acheive something, you regard Shivaji as a hero,
despite the fact that he created such fragmentation that it allowed
the brittish to seize power. I am sure that the hindu population find
it insulting that you find a hindu hero in a individual who is well
known from killing enemy leaders under a banner of truce, rather than
in someone who tries to promote the integrity of the religion such as
Ramakrishna.

Do you regard Ghandi is a cunt as well? I find it strange that rather
than give an answer, you spew off foul language. I call this Ignorance
on your part.
koolfire_or
2004-11-15 21:18:01 UTC
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Post by Harcon
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
And what does a cunt like you know?
[SNIP]
Amasing. Rather than accept Ramakrishna as a Hindu role model, as he
actually tried to acheive something, you regard Shivaji as a hero,
despite the fact that he created such fragmentation that it allowed
the brittish to seize power. I am sure that the hindu population find
it insulting that you find a hindu hero in a individual who is well
known from killing enemy leaders under a banner of truce, rather than
in someone who tries to promote the integrity of the religion such as
Ramakrishna.
Do you regard Ghandi is a cunt as well? I find it strange that rather
than give an answer, you spew off foul language. I call this
Ignorance
Post by Harcon
on your part.
no i know every one has no regard for your mother's cunt,you
pimp....its free for all,did someone shove a fire cracker in her
hole....this is divali season.
Harcon
2004-11-17 16:19:19 UTC
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Post by Harcon
Post by Harcon
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
And what does a cunt like you know?
[SNIP]
Amasing. Rather than accept Ramakrishna as a Hindu role model, as he
actually tried to acheive something, you regard Shivaji as a hero,
despite the fact that he created such fragmentation that it allowed
the brittish to seize power. I am sure that the hindu population find
it insulting that you find a hindu hero in a individual who is well
known from killing enemy leaders under a banner of truce, rather than
in someone who tries to promote the integrity of the religion such as
Ramakrishna.
Do you regard Ghandi is a cunt as well? I find it strange that rather
than give an answer, you spew off foul language. I call this
Ignorance
Post by Harcon
on your part.
no i know every one has no regard for your mother's cunt,you
pimp....its free for all,did someone shove a fire cracker in her
hole....this is divali season.
Ha, another child who, rather than answer a question, cowerdly attacks
the mother of the poster with insults. Such cowardly acts can only
follow from those who think highly of Shivaji, who cowardly killed
people on peace missions under a banner of truce!

So answer the question. The real hero in Hinduism is Ramakrishna, who
wanted to improve things and not some warlord Shivaji. Why do you not
speak highly of Ramakrishna?
koolfire_or
2004-11-17 19:31:18 UTC
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Do you regard Ghandi is a cunt as well?.........what kinda question is
this you fart,the tone and tenor of your question,will attract my legs
to boot your fucking teeth,to the back of yur skull..
Harcon
2004-11-19 09:44:45 UTC
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Post by koolfire_or
Do you regard Ghandi is a cunt as well?.........what kinda question is
this you fart,the tone and tenor of your question,will attract my legs
to boot your fucking teeth,to the back of yur skull..
Amasing, you still do not wish to answer the question. Since your
spelling is far worse than mine, here is a copy & Paste of the reply
you sniped out. Please answer the question posed in the last
paragraph, as I am sure your biological functions will allow some of
your blood to reach your brain, thus removing the cloud over your
judgment.

**********
"Ha, another child who, rather than answer a question, cowerdly
attacks
the mother of the poster with insults. Such cowardly acts can only
follow from those who think highly of Shivaji, who cowardly killed
people on peace missions under a banner of truce!

So answer the question. The real hero in Hinduism is Ramakrishna, who
wanted to improve things and not some warlord Shivaji. Why do you not
speak highly of Ramakrishna?"
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2004-11-20 05:58:36 UTC
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Anyone who sold India to the Muslims and the Brits is a cunt. Gandhi
happened to be very naive the real cunts were people like Nerhu who should
have been shot as a traitor.
Post by Harcon
Post by koolfire_or
Do you regard Ghandi is a cunt as well?.........what kinda question is
this you fart,the tone and tenor of your question,will attract my legs
to boot your fucking teeth,to the back of yur skull..
Amasing, you still do not wish to answer the question. Since your
spelling is far worse than mine, here is a copy & Paste of the reply
you sniped out. Please answer the question posed in the last
paragraph, as I am sure your biological functions will allow some of
your blood to reach your brain, thus removing the cloud over your
judgment.
**********
"Ha, another child who, rather than answer a question, cowerdly
attacks
the mother of the poster with insults. Such cowardly acts can only
follow from those who think highly of Shivaji, who cowardly killed
people on peace missions under a banner of truce!
So answer the question. The real hero in Hinduism is Ramakrishna, who
wanted to improve things and not some warlord Shivaji. Why do you not
speak highly of Ramakrishna?"
Gulshan Khan
2004-11-20 11:18:06 UTC
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:58:36 +1100, "Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri"
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Anyone who sold India to the Muslims and the Brits is a cunt. Gandhi
happened to be very naive the real cunts were people like Nerhu who should
have been shot as a traitor.
Chmara-e-hind ghandi also said you bastards are cowards and was he so
right and 100 percent on the mark..... bhaRAT matha was for takes
for all from aryans to last christian ruling your ass from the
comforts of europe.
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Post by Harcon
Post by koolfire_or
Do you regard Ghandi is a cunt as well?.........what kinda question is
this you fart,the tone and tenor of your question,will attract my legs
to boot your fucking teeth,to the back of yur skull..
Amasing, you still do not wish to answer the question. Since your
spelling is far worse than mine, here is a copy & Paste of the reply
you sniped out. Please answer the question posed in the last
paragraph, as I am sure your biological functions will allow some of
your blood to reach your brain, thus removing the cloud over your
judgment.
**********
"Ha, another child who, rather than answer a question, cowerdly
attacks
the mother of the poster with insults. Such cowardly acts can only
follow from those who think highly of Shivaji, who cowardly killed
people on peace missions under a banner of truce!
So answer the question. The real hero in Hinduism is Ramakrishna, who
wanted to improve things and not some warlord Shivaji. Why do you not
speak highly of Ramakrishna?"
Carol T
2004-11-08 11:21:59 UTC
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Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
. As one Indian student put
it to me here, We the new generations are paying the price and will continue
to pay the price of the previous generations, India is in a mess as the past
generations never addresses the issues.<<<<<<<<<<
Dear Neil,

You see so much sin and mess, and yet you want to fight it with what
has failed before. Put your trust in god through His Son. Faith will
move a mountain if you have it.

Here what God says

"For You said, 'I will surely treat you well, and make your
descendants as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for
multitude.' " NKJ Genesis 32:12

His Word is like a tiny seed in your children, when it is nurtured and
tended with love and watered with His wisdom then it will grow into a
might tree with many branches where the birds rest.

When your decedents are multiplied, your Lord God's Holy Spirit can
reach amongst a mountain of them by the hand on His truest Son and set
them free from the sins of themselves and others. And with His wisdom
working through His only Son you will free even your neighbours from
their sin.

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that
whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
NKJ John 3:16

Call out to your people in love and peace, you will not win back your
children with hatred of their parents. Come into Christ's way of
thinking, God's Word and instruction is sound for all nations.

In Christ's love
Carol T
busharraf
2004-11-08 13:39:42 UTC
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All the christian converts in Africa should be the most peaceful,
prosperous, and happy based on your theory. What a brain dead.. trying to
force people to follow a cult.
If Jesoos was that great then why there are hundred different type of
christians and why they kill each other.
Post by Carol T
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
. As one Indian student put
it to me here, We the new generations are paying the price and will continue
to pay the price of the previous generations, India is in a mess as the past
generations never addresses the issues.<<<<<<<<<<
Dear Neil,
You see so much sin and mess, and yet you want to fight it with what
has failed before. Put your trust in god through His Son. Faith will
move a mountain if you have it.
Here what God says
"For You said, 'I will surely treat you well, and make your
descendants as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for
multitude.' " NKJ Genesis 32:12
His Word is like a tiny seed in your children, when it is nurtured and
tended with love and watered with His wisdom then it will grow into a
might tree with many branches where the birds rest.
When your decedents are multiplied, your Lord God's Holy Spirit can
reach amongst a mountain of them by the hand on His truest Son and set
them free from the sins of themselves and others. And with His wisdom
working through His only Son you will free even your neighbours from
their sin.
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that
whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
NKJ John 3:16
Call out to your people in love and peace, you will not win back your
children with hatred of their parents. Come into Christ's way of
thinking, God's Word and instruction is sound for all nations.
In Christ's love
Carol T
Carol T
2004-11-08 22:04:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Carol T
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Post by busharraf
If Jesoos was that great then why there are hundred different type of
christians and why they kill each other.<<<<<<<<<
People are diverse, their needs are diverse, so worship varies. Yes,
there are some cults, but that's usually down to followers not
studying what the Bible has to say them and relying on others to tell
them. Christ's Word and teachings are given on solid foundation
delivered with love and in wisdom. The majority of the Christian
churches agree on biblical doctrine, yet still retain their
individuality.

Africa will, in time, become an educated country and their Christian
heritage will give them the peace and civil freedoms western countries
enjoy. It will take them a time to become Christ centred. The currupt
don't have a conscience to be Godly, but they can still be saved in
Christ.

Jesus does not advocate violence in any shape or form. He was an
charismatic man, of that there was no doubt, and He could have
mustered great armies together to fight His cause. But He is a man of
love and peace, and He teaches people to think in a new way, with a
new incorruptible conscience. Yet he also acknowledges that we are
sinners by God's standard, and we simply strive to be like Him.

Do not judge the African people, but help them in their journey of
faith. If you are measuring your sin, then you already know Christ's
standards are high.

In Christ's love
Carol T
Post by Carol T
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Post by busharraf
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
. As one Indian student put
it to me here, We the new generations are paying the price and will
continue
Post by Carol T
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
to pay the price of the previous generations, India is in a mess as the
past
Post by Carol T
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
generations never addresses the issues.<<<<<<<<<<
Dear Neil,
You see so much sin and mess, and yet you want to fight it with what
has failed before. Put your trust in god through His Son. Faith will
move a mountain if you have it.
Here what God says
"For You said, 'I will surely treat you well, and make your
descendants as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for
multitude.' " NKJ Genesis 32:12
His Word is like a tiny seed in your children, when it is nurtured and
tended with love and watered with His wisdom then it will grow into a
might tree with many branches where the birds rest.
When your decedents are multiplied, your Lord God's Holy Spirit can
reach amongst a mountain of them by the hand on His truest Son and set
them free from the sins of themselves and others. And with His wisdom
working through His only Son you will free even your neighbours from
their sin.
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that
whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
NKJ John 3:16
Call out to your people in love and peace, you will not win back your
children with hatred of their parents. Come into Christ's way of
thinking, God's Word and instruction is sound for all nations.
In Christ's love
Carol T
busharraf
2004-11-09 03:28:39 UTC
Permalink
Ma'm, its been 2000 years and we are still waiting......
Post by busharraf
Post by Carol T
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Post by busharraf
If Jesoos was that great then why there are hundred different
type of
christians and why they kill each other.<<<<<<<<<
People are diverse, their needs are diverse, so worship varies. Yes,
there are some cults, but that's usually down to followers not
studying what the Bible has to say them and relying on others to tell
them. Christ's Word and teachings are given on solid foundation
delivered with love and in wisdom. The majority of the Christian
churches agree on biblical doctrine, yet still retain their
individuality.
Africa will, in time, become an educated country and their Christian
heritage will give them the peace and civil freedoms western countries
enjoy. It will take them a time to become Christ centred. The currupt
don't have a conscience to be Godly, but they can still be saved in
Christ.
Jesus does not advocate violence in any shape or form. He was an
charismatic man, of that there was no doubt, and He could have
mustered great armies together to fight His cause. But He is a man of
love and peace, and He teaches people to think in a new way, with a
new incorruptible conscience. Yet he also acknowledges that we are
sinners by God's standard, and we simply strive to be like Him.
Do not judge the African people, but help them in their journey of
faith. If you are measuring your sin, then you already know Christ's
standards are high.
In Christ's love
Carol T
Post by Carol T
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Post by busharraf
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
. As one Indian student put
it to me here, We the new generations are paying the price and will
continue
Post by Carol T
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
to pay the price of the previous generations, India is in a mess as the
past
Post by Carol T
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
generations never addresses the issues.<<<<<<<<<<
Dear Neil,
You see so much sin and mess, and yet you want to fight it with what
has failed before. Put your trust in god through His Son. Faith will
move a mountain if you have it.
Here what God says
"For You said, 'I will surely treat you well, and make your
descendants as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for
multitude.' " NKJ Genesis 32:12
His Word is like a tiny seed in your children, when it is nurtured and
tended with love and watered with His wisdom then it will grow into a
might tree with many branches where the birds rest.
When your decedents are multiplied, your Lord God's Holy Spirit can
reach amongst a mountain of them by the hand on His truest Son and set
them free from the sins of themselves and others. And with His wisdom
working through His only Son you will free even your neighbours from
their sin.
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that
whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
NKJ John 3:16
Call out to your people in love and peace, you will not win back your
children with hatred of their parents. Come into Christ's way of
thinking, God's Word and instruction is sound for all nations.
In Christ's love
Carol T
Carol T
2004-11-10 13:24:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by busharraf
Ma'm, its been 2000 years and we are still waiting......
He is still waiting for you, your children and their children. He
waits on the seed of goodness and understanding to grow in them which
you allow to be planted in them. God is a loving Father, He waits
patiently for you to come to His understanding and come back to Him
voluntarily and ready to start your new life.

You can receive His Holy Spirit 'now'. You can receive forgiveness
this moment through a prayer to seek your forgiveness. You can know
that from this moment on your life is a new life where you will use
your conscience and love of God to guide you into a different way of
thinking.

If you trust in Him and have faith, Jesus will give to you what your;
eye has not seen, ear has not heard, hand not touched and what has not
occurred in your mind before.

"that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power
of God. However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not
the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming
to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden
wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of
the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have
crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written: "Eye has not seen,
nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which
God has prepared for those who love Him." But God has revealed them to
us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the
deep things of God." New King James 1Corinthians 2:5-10



In Christ's love
Carol T
Post by busharraf
Post by Carol T
Post by Carol T
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Post by busharraf
If Jesoos was that great then why there are hundred different
type of
Post by Carol T
christians and why they kill each other.<<<<<<<<<
People are diverse, their needs are diverse, so worship varies. Yes,
there are some cults, but that's usually down to followers not
studying what the Bible has to say them and relying on others to tell
them. Christ's Word and teachings are given on solid foundation
delivered with love and in wisdom. The majority of the Christian
churches agree on biblical doctrine, yet still retain their
individuality.
Africa will, in time, become an educated country and their Christian
heritage will give them the peace and civil freedoms western countries
enjoy. It will take them a time to become Christ centred. The currupt
don't have a conscience to be Godly, but they can still be saved in
Christ.
Jesus does not advocate violence in any shape or form. He was an
charismatic man, of that there was no doubt, and He could have
mustered great armies together to fight His cause. But He is a man of
love and peace, and He teaches people to think in a new way, with a
new incorruptible conscience. Yet he also acknowledges that we are
sinners by God's standard, and we simply strive to be like Him.
Do not judge the African people, but help them in their journey of
faith. If you are measuring your sin, then you already know Christ's
standards are high.
In Christ's love
Carol T
Post by Carol T
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Post by busharraf
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
. As one Indian student put
it to me here, We the new generations are paying the price and will
continue
Post by Carol T
Post by Carol T
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
to pay the price of the previous generations, India is in a mess as
the
past
Post by Carol T
Post by Carol T
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
generations never addresses the issues.<<<<<<<<<<
Dear Neil,
You see so much sin and mess, and yet you want to fight it with what
has failed before. Put your trust in god through His Son. Faith will
move a mountain if you have it.
Here what God says
"For You said, 'I will surely treat you well, and make your
descendants as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for
multitude.' " NKJ Genesis 32:12
His Word is like a tiny seed in your children, when it is nurtured and
tended with love and watered with His wisdom then it will grow into a
might tree with many branches where the birds rest.
When your decedents are multiplied, your Lord God's Holy Spirit can
reach amongst a mountain of them by the hand on His truest Son and set
them free from the sins of themselves and others. And with His wisdom
working through His only Son you will free even your neighbours from
their sin.
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that
whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
NKJ John 3:16
Call out to your people in love and peace, you will not win back your
children with hatred of their parents. Come into Christ's way of
thinking, God's Word and instruction is sound for all nations.
In Christ's love
Carol T
1MAN4ALL
2004-11-10 20:08:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Carol T
Post by busharraf
Ma'm, its been 2000 years and we are still waiting......
He is still waiting for you, your children and their children. He
waits on the seed of goodness and understanding to grow in them which
you allow to be planted in them. God is a loving Father, He waits
patiently for you to come to His understanding and come back to Him
voluntarily and ready to start your new life.
You can receive His Holy Spirit 'now'. You can receive forgiveness
this moment through a prayer to seek your forgiveness. You can know
that from this moment on your life is a new life where you will use
your conscience and love of God to guide you into a different way of
thinking.
If you trust in Him and have faith, Jesus will give to you what your;
eye has not seen, ear has not heard, hand not touched and what has not
occurred in your mind before.
"that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power
of God. However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not
the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming
to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden
wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of
the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have
crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written: "Eye has not seen,
nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which
God has prepared for those who love Him." But God has revealed them to
us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the
deep things of God." New King James 1Corinthians 2:5-10
In Christ's love
Carol T
If Jesus were alive today, what would he say to Hindus who want to
demolish Muslim mosques and Christian churches in India; who have
burned hundreds, if not thousands, of Muslims alive; who have raped
Muslim women in Gujarat and Kashmir; who are a nuisance in this
newsgroup for more than ten years, sending filthy posts and calling
for violence against Muslims; and who are unable to listen to reason?
And if they still reject him, will he forgive them or promise them the
Lake of Fire?
Gulshan Khan
2004-11-10 23:55:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by 1MAN4ALL
Post by Carol T
Post by busharraf
Ma'm, its been 2000 years and we are still waiting......
He is still waiting for you, your children and their children. He
waits on the seed of goodness and understanding to grow in them which
you allow to be planted in them. God is a loving Father, He waits
patiently for you to come to His understanding and come back to Him
voluntarily and ready to start your new life.
You can receive His Holy Spirit 'now'. You can receive forgiveness
this moment through a prayer to seek your forgiveness. You can know
that from this moment on your life is a new life where you will use
your conscience and love of God to guide you into a different way of
thinking.
If you trust in Him and have faith, Jesus will give to you what your;
eye has not seen, ear has not heard, hand not touched and what has not
occurred in your mind before.
"that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power
of God. However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not
the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming
to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden
wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of
the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have
crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written: "Eye has not seen,
nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which
God has prepared for those who love Him." But God has revealed them to
us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the
deep things of God." New King James 1Corinthians 2:5-10
In Christ's love
Carol T
If Jesus were alive today, what would he say to Hindus who want to
demolish Muslim mosques and Christian churches in India; who have
burned hundreds, if not thousands, of Muslims alive; who have raped
Muslim women in Gujarat and Kashmir; who are a nuisance in this
newsgroup for more than ten years, sending filthy posts and calling
for violence against Muslims; and who are unable to listen to reason?
And if they still reject him, will he forgive them or promise them the
Lake of Fire?
Jesus will return and destroy all evil and anti-christ especially
hindus.... But hindu stick is so terrible that Jesus may just have to
use special gas masks or forget the whole deal.
busharraf
2004-11-11 05:00:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gulshan Khan
Post by 1MAN4ALL
Post by Carol T
Post by busharraf
Ma'm, its been 2000 years and we are still waiting......
He is still waiting for you, your children and their children. He
waits on the seed of goodness and understanding to grow in them which
you allow to be planted in them. God is a loving Father, He waits
patiently for you to come to His understanding and come back to Him
voluntarily and ready to start your new life.
You can receive His Holy Spirit 'now'. You can receive forgiveness
this moment through a prayer to seek your forgiveness. You can know
that from this moment on your life is a new life where you will use
your conscience and love of God to guide you into a different way of
thinking.
If you trust in Him and have faith, Jesus will give to you what your;
eye has not seen, ear has not heard, hand not touched and what has not
occurred in your mind before.
"that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power
of God. However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not
the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming
to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden
wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of
the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have
crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written: "Eye has not seen,
nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which
God has prepared for those who love Him." But God has revealed them to
us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the
deep things of God." New King James 1Corinthians 2:5-10
In Christ's love
Carol T
If Jesus were alive today, what would he say to Hindus who want to
demolish Muslim mosques and Christian churches in India; who have
burned hundreds, if not thousands, of Muslims alive; who have raped
Muslim women in Gujarat and Kashmir; who are a nuisance in this
newsgroup for more than ten years, sending filthy posts and calling
for violence against Muslims; and who are unable to listen to reason?
And if they still reject him, will he forgive them or promise them the
Lake of Fire?
Jesus will return and destroy all evil and anti-christ especially
hindus.... But hindu stick is so terrible that Jesus may just have to
use special gas masks or forget the whole deal.
As it is happening in Afganistan and Falljah, fucking wiggly dogs. Not a
single bastard is in sight while their daddy yanks are pulvarizing muslim
lands. Motherfuckers only know how to stripe a bomb and blow up few innocent
people.
Gulshan Khan
2004-11-11 14:03:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by busharraf
Post by Gulshan Khan
Post by 1MAN4ALL
Post by Carol T
Post by busharraf
Ma'm, its been 2000 years and we are still waiting......
He is still waiting for you, your children and their children. He
waits on the seed of goodness and understanding to grow in them which
you allow to be planted in them. God is a loving Father, He waits
patiently for you to come to His understanding and come back to Him
voluntarily and ready to start your new life.
You can receive His Holy Spirit 'now'. You can receive forgiveness
this moment through a prayer to seek your forgiveness. You can know
that from this moment on your life is a new life where you will use
your conscience and love of God to guide you into a different way of
thinking.
If you trust in Him and have faith, Jesus will give to you what your;
eye has not seen, ear has not heard, hand not touched and what has not
occurred in your mind before.
"that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power
of God. However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not
the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming
to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden
wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of
the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have
crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written: "Eye has not seen,
nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which
God has prepared for those who love Him." But God has revealed them to
us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the
deep things of God." New King James 1Corinthians 2:5-10
In Christ's love
Carol T
If Jesus were alive today, what would he say to Hindus who want to
demolish Muslim mosques and Christian churches in India; who have
burned hundreds, if not thousands, of Muslims alive; who have raped
Muslim women in Gujarat and Kashmir; who are a nuisance in this
newsgroup for more than ten years, sending filthy posts and calling
for violence against Muslims; and who are unable to listen to reason?
And if they still reject him, will he forgive them or promise them the
Lake of Fire?
Jesus will return and destroy all evil and anti-christ especially
hindus.... But hindu stick is so terrible that Jesus may just have to
use special gas masks or forget the whole deal.
As it is happening in Afganistan and Falljah, fucking wiggly dogs. Not a
single bastard is in sight while their daddy yanks are pulvarizing muslim
lands. Motherfuckers only know how to stripe a bomb and blow up few innocent
people.
And a bastard haram-e-hind so easily forgets it is a product of 1000
years of soild fucking by both sullas and christians. Now Chini and
Pakis are fucking the bitch hell!! even BD and SL has the honor.....
All I have to say is aaagggrrrr ttthhhooo on your fucking aukaat...

Hare om baba hare om
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2004-11-13 09:44:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gulshan Khan
Jesus will return and destroy all evil and anti-christ especially
hindus.... But hindu stick is so terrible that Jesus may just have to
use special gas masks or forget the whole deal.
Now what version of the Jesus story do u believe in ? The only anti-Christ I
know of is Mohammad and his followers who are called upon to hate Jews and
Christians .... You are instructed to not befriend Christians and Jews ...

Koran 5:51
Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are
friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become
one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrong-doers.



http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/hell.html

Instructions to Muslims regarding Christians and Jews

Prophet Mohammed has reserved special position for certain sects of
Unbelievers in his so called "Holy Book" Koran. Those unbelievers are none
other than followers of Christianity and Judaism. I have selected few verses
from Koran to display what Muslims are taught and instructed as far as
treating Christians and Jews is concerned.

Koran 5:51
Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are
friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become
one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrong-doers.

In this verse Prophet Mohammed is clearly instructing his followers never to
befriend a Christian or a Jew. Because if they take a Christian or a Jew as
a friend, they will commit a wrong deed and Allah's wrath will be on them.

Koran 5:57
Believers, do not seek the friendship of the infidels and those who were
given the Book before you, who have made your religion a jest and a
pasttime...

Here "those who were given the Book before you" refers to Christians and
Jews. Once again Mohammed is warning Muslims of all time never to befriend a
Christian or a Jew.

Koran 5:64
The Jews say: 'God's hand is chained.' May their own hands be chained! May t
hey be cursed for what they say!...

In the above verse Prophet Mohammed is showing his deep respect for the
Jews.

Koran 9:29
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the
forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor
acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until
they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.

Here 'People of the Book' refers to Christians and Jews. The 'Religion Of
Truth' refers to Islam. So in the above verse Prophet Mohammed is
instructing Muslims to fight and torture Christians and Jews (who do not
believe in Islamic version of God) until they pay tax to Muslims for their
existence. Muslims are also strictly instructed to make the Christians and
Jews feel 'subdued'. Allah is truly benign !!!

Koran 9:30
The Jews call 'Uzayr-a son of God', and the Christinas call 'Christ the Son
Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what
the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are
decluded away from the Truth.

Here Prophet Mohammed is wishing that Allah's curse be on Jews and
Christians. And what did the Christians and Jews do for such special favour
from Allah ? All they did is that out of respect and love, they called their
Prophets 'son of God'.
Gulshan Khan
2004-11-13 15:05:00 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:44:34 +1100, "Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri"
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Post by Gulshan Khan
Jesus will return and destroy all evil and anti-christ especially
hindus.... But hindu stick is so terrible that Jesus may just have to
use special gas masks or forget the whole deal.
Now what version of the Jesus story do u believe in ? The only anti-Christ I
know of is Mohammad and his followers who are called upon to hate Jews and
Christians .... You are instructed to not befriend Christians and Jews ...
Not the version they teach you in RSS little nazi terror schools. IS
this translation from teh same school you little hindu nazi
terrorist.. I suggest you read non indoo history to find out why Jews
chose to live under muslim rule.... But wait you little bird brain
hindu terrorist.... read this first

Hinduism and Nazism brothers in arms and Gita the Nazi terror manual

http://www.trimondi.de/H-B-K/inhalt.hi.en.htm

Heinrich Himmler, SS Reich Commander, architect of mass murder and
admirer of Asian philosophy. A quotation from Himmler: “I marvel at
the wisdom of the founders of Indian religions.” Himmler was a
follower of the Buddhist doctrine of Karma and incarnation.



Walther Wüst, SS colonel, curator of SS-Ahnenerbe, vice chancellor of
Munich University, Orientalist. Wüst has to be viewed as the driving
force behind the SS-Ahnenerbe’s endeavours to forge a religion. He
operated on the assumption that the Nazi religion under construction
should be rooted in the Vedic and Buddhist writings of India.



Founder of the “German Faith Movement” and later SS captain Jakob
Wilhelm Hauer. Scholar of Indian culture and Sanskrit expert, he drew
on Bhagavad Gita and Buddhist texts in an attempt to elaborate the
typology of an invincible war machine.



SS brigadier Karl Maria Wiligut (“Himmler’s Rasputin”), occultist in
the SS-Ahnenerbe. He claimed to be in spiritual contact with Tibetan
Lamaist monasteries.



SS Tibetan researchers Ernst Schäfer and Bruno Beger saw Lamaism as a
treasury in which the core Aryan knowledge was stored. The book also
looks at the relationship of Sven Hedin to the Nazi regime and Hitler.



Japan expert, geopolitician and Deutsche Akademie President Karl
Haushofer. He emphasised the appropriateness of Shinto state fascism
as a model for National Socialism.



The German teachers of Zen Buddhism, Eugen Herrigel and Karlfried
Dürckheim, propounded a link between National Socialism and Zen
philosophy.



The fascist philosopher Julius Evola, whose ideas were much more
influential on the SS than first thought and whose traditionalist
system of theories is based largely on Buddhist and Tantric doctrines.



The SS mystic Otto Rahn and the neo-Buddhist circles he frequented in
France. Their influence led Rahn to claim that the “Grail of the
Cathars” was a “symbol of the soul adopted [!] straight from
Buddhism”.



The French specialist on the Orient, Jean Marquès-Rivière, head of the
French secret police (S.S.S.) and SS collaborator. One of the leading
western scholars on Tibetan Kalachakra Tantra.



The first part of the book also deals with the anti-Buddhist movement
in the Third Reich. The chapter entitled “Collaborators, condoners or
victims?” considers the role of Buddhists in the Nazi period.



The protagonists of religious neo-Nazism

are studied too, with particular attention

being paid to the effect on their thinking

of Indo-Tibetan ideas and philosophy.



“Hitler’s High Priestess”, Savitri Devi. Was instrumental in the
consecration of Hitler after the war and the establishment of National
Socialism as a quasi Indian sect.



The inventors of the “Nazi mysteries”, French occultists Jacques
Bergier and Louis Pauwels, and the Englishman Trevor Ravenscroft. All
three authors saw National Socialism inextricably linked to the
Indo-Tibetan Shambhala myth.



The “Black Sun” ideologues, Viennese authors Wilhelm Landig and Rudolf
J. Mund, and Jan van Helsing. These writers work from the premise that
Tibetan / Mongolian Lamaism and the esoteric teachings of National
Socialism both have their source in Atlantis.



Miguel Serrano, Chilean diplomat and founder of “esoteric Hitlerism”.
Serrano is an expert in Tantric doctrines. The cornerstones of his
system of racist theories are Indo-Tibetan in origin.



Why the title of the book:

“Hitler, Buddha, Krishna” ?



Even before the outbreak of war attempts were made by a number of the
above-mentioned Nazi ideologues to identify Hitler as the latest link
in an Indo-Aryan chain of divine kings and philosophers. Indian
religion founders such as the “Buddha” and Indian hero divinities like
“Krishna” were proclaimed pioneers and heralds of the dictator. This
apotheosis reached its climax in the work of the Chilean diplomat
Miguel Serrano, who revered Hitler as the 10th avatar of the god
Krishna/Vishnu. For Serrano the German dictator is immortal and will
reappear as “avenger” to bestow global supremacy on the Aryan race in
an apocalyptic war to end all wars.



What did Nazi ideologues

look for in India,

and what did they find ?



In their eyes the classical culture of India was a reserve in which
knowledge of an Aryan stem civilisation was supposed to have survived.



Indian writings furnished them with the religious bases for a cruel
warrior religion and an inhuman ethic for the conduct of war.



They saw the Indian caste system as providing a social orientation
model that fitted their racialist ideology.



They linked the Indian idea of the “global ruler” to their own “Führer
principle” and applied it to Hitler.



From the Tantric systems of India and Tibet they developed their own
fascist sexual theory.



What was the Nazi ideologues’

particular interest in the Bhagavad Gita ?



Heinrich Himmler is said to have always carried a copy of the Bhagavad
Gita on his person. He compared Hitler with the god Krishna who
features in the poetical work.



The Bhagavad Gita was read like a catechism for the SS. Consequently
many of the above-mentioned Nazi ideologues referred continually to
this Indian war manual.



The Bhagavad Gita’s philosophy is used by rightwing extremists after
the war to legitimise Auschwitz.



What was the Nazi ideologues’

particular interest in Buddhism ?



In their eyes Buddha was an “Aryan” and Buddhism an “Aryan doctrine”.



They emphasised the warlike and virile elements of Buddhism.



Nazi ideologues hold Buddhism to be a doctrine pertaining solely to
power.



Buddhist meditation and yoga techniques are recommended for the
spiritual discipline of the “warrior”.



What did Nazi ideologues

look for in Tibet

and what did they find ?



The Nazi ideologues were convinced that remnants of an original Aryan
race had survived in Tibet. They organised an expedition to locate
these vestiges.



They believed the ancient Aryan knowledge to be preserved in Lamaist
texts and in Tibetan monasteries. It was intended that SS-Ahnenerbe
Tibetologists decipher this knowledge using translation and text
analysis.



The Tibet researchers of the SS were in thrall to the magic, occult
nature of the Lamaist culture. The occultist within the Ahnenerbe even
believed themselves to be in spiritual contact with Tibetan lamas.



The two leaders of the SS Tibet expedition, Ernst Schäfer and Bruno
Beger, were both especially drawn to the morbid, warlike elements of
Tibetan Buddhism.



The Himalayas were a key objective for Nazi mountaineers.



What did Nazi ideologues

look for in Japan

and what did they find ?



Japanese Samurai war philosophy (Bushido) fascinated the SS. Himmler
wrote the foreword for a brochure on Samurais, 52,000 copies of which
were distributed throughout the SS.



A variety of themes connected to the Samurai tradition were discussed
within the SS.



German Japanologists and Japanese scholars of German culture made
“theological” comparisons between the National Socialist “Führer
principle” and the Shinto belief of “imperial divinity”.



The German protagonists of Zen Buddhism, Eugen Herrigel and Karlfried
Dürckheim, tried to bind together Zen philosophy and National
Socialism.



What do the Kalachakra Tantra and the Shambhala

have to do with National Socialism ?



SS-Ahnenerbe researchers were especially interested in the Kalachakra
Tantra.



The Shambala vision recorded in the Kalachakra Tantra has become a
central pillar in the mythology of religious neo-Nazism.



Many of the themes raised in the Kalachakra Tantra (a cyclical view of
the world, global domination, the use of super weapons, magic and
ritual in sexual practices etc) are key themes in religious fascism.



The Kalachakra Tantra challenges the monotheistic religions, all three
of which are Semitic in origin. For this reason it was harnessed by
extreme rightwing, anti-Semitic circles for their racist propaganda.



Contact between the XIVth Dalai Lama, as the supreme Kalachakra
master, and representatives of religious fanaticism and former SS men.



Which philosophical themes are treated in the book ?



National Socialism as “political religion”



The attempt to consecrate the “Führer”, the “race” and the “war”



The creation of a National Socialist “divine warrior” and the
mythologizing of the SS



The sacrifices represented by the Second World War and Auschwitz as
foundation stones for a Nazi religion



The phantasm of religious neo-Fascism



A comparison of Asian religions with the Nazi world view



Why is the book topical ?


Religious neo-Nazism, as an extension and development of the
Indo-Aryan religious construct forged by the SS-Ahnenerbe, is
spreading to other countries at an alarming rate.



The “importing” of Eastern religion systems is increasing rapidly
without prior investigation being carried out into their inhuman
content, atavistic practices, political power aspirations and warlike
history.



Religious fundamentalism and fascist totalitarianism have many things
in common and tend to join forces. Acutely topical concepts such as
“divine warrior”, “theocracy” and “war of religions” are also present
in the neo-Nazi model. The sources of inspiration for these concepts
stem less from the “Semitic” religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam)
than from Asian faiths.



Who is this book aimed at ?


Anyone who has even a peripheral interest in the “Hitler issue” and
the history of the “Third Reich” is presented here with a new
interpretation of National Socialism based on material hitherto
overlooked or otherwise ignored.



Furthermore, the book targets all those readers who feel in any way
connected to the issues of religion, conflict between cultures,
fundamentalism, religious terror, “divine warriors” and Eastern
spirituality (Lamaism, Buddhism, Tantrism, Zen etc), cultural
philosophy, politics, psychology, esoterics, ideological criticism and
cultural studies in general.
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Koran 5:51
Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are
friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become
one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrong-doers.
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/hell.html
Instructions to Muslims regarding Christians and Jews
Prophet Mohammed has reserved special position for certain sects of
Unbelievers in his so called "Holy Book" Koran. Those unbelievers are none
other than followers of Christianity and Judaism. I have selected few verses
from Koran to display what Muslims are taught and instructed as far as
treating Christians and Jews is concerned.
Koran 5:51
Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are
friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become
one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrong-doers.
In this verse Prophet Mohammed is clearly instructing his followers never to
befriend a Christian or a Jew. Because if they take a Christian or a Jew as
a friend, they will commit a wrong deed and Allah's wrath will be on them.
Koran 5:57
Believers, do not seek the friendship of the infidels and those who were
given the Book before you, who have made your religion a jest and a
pasttime...
Here "those who were given the Book before you" refers to Christians and
Jews. Once again Mohammed is warning Muslims of all time never to befriend a
Christian or a Jew.
Koran 5:64
The Jews say: 'God's hand is chained.' May their own hands be chained! May t
hey be cursed for what they say!...
In the above verse Prophet Mohammed is showing his deep respect for the
Jews.
Koran 9:29
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the
forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor
acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until
they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.
Here 'People of the Book' refers to Christians and Jews. The 'Religion Of
Truth' refers to Islam. So in the above verse Prophet Mohammed is
instructing Muslims to fight and torture Christians and Jews (who do not
believe in Islamic version of God) until they pay tax to Muslims for their
existence. Muslims are also strictly instructed to make the Christians and
Jews feel 'subdued'. Allah is truly benign !!!
Koran 9:30
The Jews call 'Uzayr-a son of God', and the Christinas call 'Christ the Son
Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what
the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are
decluded away from the Truth.
Here Prophet Mohammed is wishing that Allah's curse be on Jews and
Christians. And what did the Christians and Jews do for such special favour
from Allah ? All they did is that out of respect and love, they called their
Prophets 'son of God'.
busharraf
2004-11-11 04:55:47 UTC
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Post by 1MAN4ALL
Post by Carol T
Post by busharraf
Ma'm, its been 2000 years and we are still waiting......
He is still waiting for you, your children and their children. He
waits on the seed of goodness and understanding to grow in them which
you allow to be planted in them. God is a loving Father, He waits
patiently for you to come to His understanding and come back to Him
voluntarily and ready to start your new life.
You can receive His Holy Spirit 'now'. You can receive forgiveness
this moment through a prayer to seek your forgiveness. You can know
that from this moment on your life is a new life where you will use
your conscience and love of God to guide you into a different way of
thinking.
If you trust in Him and have faith, Jesus will give to you what your;
eye has not seen, ear has not heard, hand not touched and what has not
occurred in your mind before.
"that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power
of God. However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not
the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming
to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden
wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of
the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have
crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written: "Eye has not seen,
nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which
God has prepared for those who love Him." But God has revealed them to
us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the
deep things of God." New King James 1Corinthians 2:5-10
In Christ's love
Carol T
If Jesus were alive today, what would he say to Hindus who want to
demolish Muslim mosques and Christian churches in India; who have
burned hundreds, if not thousands, of Muslims alive; who have raped
Muslim women in Gujarat and Kashmir; who are a nuisance in this
newsgroup for more than ten years, sending filthy posts and calling
for violence against Muslims; and who are unable to listen to reason?
And if they still reject him, will he forgive them or promise them the
Lake of Fire?
Moron, whatever happened in India is nothing compare to what bastard pakis
did to christians, muslims, and hindus in pakiland and east pakiland. Three
million bengali muslims and hindus were raped, tortured, massacared by your
paki allah's army.
1MAN4ALL
2004-11-11 22:32:24 UTC
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Post by busharraf
Post by 1MAN4ALL
Post by Carol T
Post by busharraf
Ma'm, its been 2000 years and we are still waiting......
He is still waiting for you, your children and their children. He
waits on the seed of goodness and understanding to grow in them which
you allow to be planted in them. God is a loving Father, He waits
patiently for you to come to His understanding and come back to Him
voluntarily and ready to start your new life.
You can receive His Holy Spirit 'now'. You can receive forgiveness
this moment through a prayer to seek your forgiveness. You can know
that from this moment on your life is a new life where you will use
your conscience and love of God to guide you into a different way of
thinking.
If you trust in Him and have faith, Jesus will give to you what your;
eye has not seen, ear has not heard, hand not touched and what has not
occurred in your mind before.
"that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power
of God. However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not
the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming
to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden
wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of
the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have
crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written: "Eye has not seen,
nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which
God has prepared for those who love Him." But God has revealed them to
us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the
deep things of God." New King James 1Corinthians 2:5-10
In Christ's love
Carol T
If Jesus were alive today, what would he say to Hindus who want to
demolish Muslim mosques and Christian churches in India; who have
burned hundreds, if not thousands, of Muslims alive; who have raped
Muslim women in Gujarat and Kashmir; who are a nuisance in this
newsgroup for more than ten years, sending filthy posts and calling
for violence against Muslims; and who are unable to listen to reason?
And if they still reject him, will he forgive them or promise them the
Lake of Fire?
Moron, whatever happened in India is nothing compare to what bastard pakis
did to christians, muslims, and hindus in pakiland and east pakiland. Three
million bengali muslims and hindus were raped, tortured, massacared by your
paki allah's army.
Muslims have killed billions of Bengladeshis, a trillion Jews, and
gazillion Hindus_ all in your nightmares. LOL.
Dave Williams
2004-11-11 23:49:11 UTC
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Post by 1MAN4ALL
Muslims have killed billions of Bengladeshis, a trillion Jews, and
gazillion Hindus_ all in your nightmares. LOL.
Muslims are the worst scums on earth. Islam is gutter religion founded by a
dumbass arab illiterate named Mohammed who sodomized his own daughter-in-law
Zaynab and the 6 year old Aisha. Anyone following Mohammed and calling
himself a muslim is a dumbass indeed.

Dave
M. Ranjit Mathews
2004-11-12 18:51:35 UTC
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Post by Dave Williams
Post by 1MAN4ALL
Muslims have killed billions of Bengladeshis, a trillion Jews, and
gazillion Hindus_ all in your nightmares. LOL.
Muslims are the worst scums on earth. Islam is gutter religion founded by a
dumbass arab illiterate named Mohammed who sodomized his own daughter-in-law
Zaynab and the 6 year old Aisha.
Does illiteracy make him unique? Composers of the Vedic Samhitas were
illiterate too, which was why they were handed down only by
memorisation and recitation. What data lead you to suspect sodomy?
Post by Dave Williams
Anyone following Mohammed and calling
himself a muslim is a dumbass indeed.
How about anyone not following Mohammed and calling himself a Muslim?
Dave Williams
2004-11-12 21:02:32 UTC
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Post by M. Ranjit Mathews
Post by Dave Williams
Post by 1MAN4ALL
Muslims have killed billions of Bengladeshis, a trillion Jews, and
gazillion Hindus_ all in your nightmares. LOL.
Muslims are the worst scums on earth. Islam is gutter religion founded by a
dumbass arab illiterate named Mohammed who sodomized his own
daughter-in-law
Post by M. Ranjit Mathews
Post by Dave Williams
Zaynab and the 6 year old Aisha.
Does illiteracy make him unique? Composers of the Vedic Samhitas were
illiterate too, which was why they were handed down only by
memorisation and recitation. What data lead you to suspect sodomy?
SOB Mohammed died of AIDS just like the palestinian terrorist Arafat who
died of AIDS recently in Paris.
Post by M. Ranjit Mathews
Post by Dave Williams
Anyone following Mohammed and calling
himself a muslim is a dumbass indeed.
How about anyone not following Mohammed and calling himself a Muslim?
Dumbass arab wannabe.

Dave
Carol T
2004-11-15 14:57:48 UTC
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Post by Dave Williams
Muslims are the worst scums on earth. Islam is gutter religion founded by a
dumbass arab illiterate named Mohammed <<<<<<<<<
No, no, no, no......Your neighbours are simply people whom you can
love as yourself. We each of us have our own sin to take before the
Lord God, we do not need to drag along the weight of others. If your
neighbours have made a mistake by following Mohammed how do you show
them the light by writing insulting things?

If they live a good and godly life, in spite of the sin of their
leader, then how much greater is your faith that you can 'show them' a
more perfect path?

Muslims are simply people, with everyday problems and everyday
worries. They seek betterment for their children and for them to know
a peaceful upbringing and a love for God.

If you see a flaw in their faith then praise those who are living
Godly lives despite this. These people will do you no harm.

In Christ's love
Carol T
habshi
2004-11-15 23:37:44 UTC
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Tomb worship is STRICTLT forbidden in Islam , that is why
there is no tomb over the Prophet's grave .
The Sufi ones in India were built over demolished Hindu
temples , and the Hindus kept going there . However Sufis are the most
militant of Muslims and hate idol worshipping and Hindu goddesses.
We must never hate Muslims , who are humans like us ,
but we must never spare Islam which is an awful creed which advocates
stoning , hand chopping , burqas etc.
Do you Carol have the courage to criticize the Quran as
against humanity or are you an ostrich hiding under chrisitian garb?
Carol T
2004-11-16 12:18:22 UTC
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Post by habshi
Do you Carol have the courage to criticize the Quran as
against humanity or are you an ostrich hiding under chrisitian garb?<<<<<<<<
Dear Habshi,

If you hold the brightest lamp of all you have no need to blow out any
others, but if you chose to stand in the darkenss you might attempt to
distinguish one flame with the oil of the other.

In Christ's love
Carol T
1Shiva
2004-12-04 04:11:08 UTC
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Post by Carol T
Post by habshi
Do you Carol have the courage to criticize the Quran as
against humanity or are you an ostrich hiding under chrisitian garb?<<<<<<<<
Dear Habshi,
If you hold the brightest lamp of all you have no need to blow out any
others, but if you chose to stand in the darkenss you might attempt to
distinguish one flame with the oil of the other.
In Christ's love
Carol T
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My Dearest Carol, if that is so, why do you have to spend billions of
dollars building spectacular churches and employing armies of
missionaries, when just your brightest-lamp would have done it all?
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Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2004-11-20 08:02:17 UTC
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But dick worship isn't as in Mecca where they worship dick!
Post by habshi
Tomb worship is STRICTLT forbidden in Islam , that is why
there is no tomb over the Prophet's grave .
The Sufi ones in India were built over demolished Hindu
temples , and the Hindus kept going there . However Sufis are the most
militant of Muslims and hate idol worshipping and Hindu goddesses.
We must never hate Muslims , who are humans like us ,
but we must never spare Islam which is an awful creed which advocates
stoning , hand chopping , burqas etc.
Do you Carol have the courage to criticize the Quran as
against humanity or are you an ostrich hiding under chrisitian garb?
1Shiva
2004-12-04 04:10:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by 1MAN4ALL
Post by busharraf
Moron, whatever happened in India is nothing compare to what bastard pakis
did to christians, muslims, and hindus in pakiland and east pakiland. Three
million bengali muslims and hindus were raped, tortured, massacared by your
paki allah's army.
Muslims have killed billions of Bengladeshis, a trillion Jews, and
gazillion Hindus_ all in your nightmares. LOL.
------------------------
Dear Mus-llama-man, do you deny the massacre at Mecca? Do you deny
that your propehat Muhhammud killed people in Mecca, just because they
rejected his verbal garbage? Or, do you deny the massacre of Jews in
the so-called "Arab-lands" of today? Or, do you deny the massacre of
Persians? Or, do you deny the massacre of Kurds? Or, do you deny the
massacre of Bangladeshis by Pakistan-Muslims?... Or, do you deny the
massacre of Africans, by Arab-Muslim Jganja-weeds in Dafur?
------------------------
The Traveler
2004-12-04 18:29:15 UTC
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Post by 1Shiva
Post by 1MAN4ALL
Post by busharraf
Moron, whatever happened in India is nothing compare to what bastard pakis
did to christians, muslims, and hindus in pakiland and east pakiland. Three
million bengali muslims and hindus were raped, tortured, massacared by your
paki allah's army.
Muslims have killed billions of Bengladeshis, a trillion Jews, and
gazillion Hindus_ all in your nightmares. LOL.
------------------------
Dear Mus-llama-man, do you deny the massacre at Mecca? Do you deny
that your propehat Muhhammud killed people in Mecca, just because they
rejected his verbal garbage? Or, do you deny the massacre of Jews in
the so-called "Arab-lands" of today? Or, do you deny the massacre of
Persians? Or, do you deny the massacre of Kurds? Or, do you deny the
massacre of Bangladeshis by Pakistan-Muslims?... Or, do you deny the
massacre of Africans, by Arab-Muslim Jganja-weeds in Dafur?
------------------------
The list is long and people are supposed to forget or be accused of
being anti-Muslim.

Add: The Muslim destruction of the synagogues in Jerusalem when the
Arabs took over in 1949 or 50.

What about when the Buddhist statues in Bamyan that were destroyed?

etc.!
1Shiva
2004-12-06 05:53:39 UTC
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Post by The Traveler
Post by 1Shiva
Post by 1MAN4ALL
Post by busharraf
Moron, whatever happened in India is nothing compare to what bastard pakis
did to christians, muslims, and hindus in pakiland and east pakiland. Three
million bengali muslims and hindus were raped, tortured, massacared by your
paki allah's army.
Muslims have killed billions of Bengladeshis, a trillion Jews, and
gazillion Hindus_ all in your nightmares. LOL.
Dear Mus-llama-man, do you deny the massacre at Mecca? Do you deny
that your propehat Muhhammud killed people in Mecca, just because they
rejected his verbal garbage? Or, do you deny the massacre of Jews in
the so-called "Arab-lands" of today? Or, do you deny the massacre of
Persians? Or, do you deny the massacre of Kurds? Or, do you deny the
massacre of Bangladeshis by Pakistan-Muslims?... Or, do you deny the
massacre of Africans, by Arab-Muslim Jganja-weeds in Dafur?
The list is long and people are supposed to forget or be accused of
being anti-Muslim.
Add: The Muslim destruction of the synagogues in Jerusalem when the
Arabs took over in 1949 or 50.
------------------------------------------------------------
One must *never* forget the sacrifices of the Judaic
civilization...Thoughout the savage islamic conquests, and through the
European fanatic savagery.

That time is past. Now it is now time to seek peace, retribution,
justice and harmonial ethnic relations, all in their own ways. It is a
path of human civilization, learning, and growth.

However, we cannot allow symbols of past savegery, to act as symbols
of glorification of the same said deeds. i.e, We cannot allow
monuments of a little hitler(s), to adorn the United Nations...

As such, Muslim monuments of past Nazi-like racist savegery, cannot be
allowed to pollute a land of innocent young children...
------------------------------------------------------------
Post by The Traveler
What about when the Buddhist statues in Bamyan that were destroyed?
etc.!
Carol T
2004-11-12 11:25:18 UTC
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Post by busharraf
Post by busharraf
whatever happened in India is nothing compare to what
bastard pakis
Post by busharraf
did to christians, muslims, and hindus in pakiland and east pakiland. Three
million bengali muslims and hindus were raped, tortured, massacared by your
paki allah's army.<<<<<<<<<<<<
People have this strange notion that they are some how 'better' than
their forefathers? Yet, people today are better educated and have the
freedom to read and use God's Word to come to know a wisdom which can
truly bring about peace for all men.

In this time, in this minute in the second is you and your Lord God.
Are you clean enough in yourself to bring before Him the crimes of
others with indignation?

Do you know the story the Jews and Christian's are taught as small
children about Joseph? He was the young son of Jacob who also had many
other sons. The other sons were very jealous of his father's love for
Joseph. His father gave him a beautiful coat of many colours. Joseph
told he brothers that in a dream he'd had that they were collecting
bunches of grain in a field and his stood up and theirs went to bow
before him. They were infuriated and stole his coat and threw him in a
pit. Rather than leave him to die they sold him on.

Through his dream prophecy he rises to become a great man amongst the
court. Eventually, because of famine, his brothers have to seek his
help and forgiveness.

"to say to you: `Forgive your brothers for the great evil they did to
you.' So we, the servants of the God of your father, beg you to
forgive us." When Joseph received the message, he broke down and wept.
Then his brothers came and bowed low before him. "We are your slaves,"
they said. But Joseph told them, "Don't be afraid of me. Am I God, to
judge and punish you? As far as I am concerned, God turned into good
what you meant for evil. He brought me to the high position I have
today so I could save the lives of many people. Now therefore, do not
be afraid; I will provide for you and your little ones." And he
comforted them and spoke kindly to them." NTL Genesis 50:17-21

It doesn't matter who does what to whom, because those who commit
horrible crimes can be forgiven by a loving brother on the command of
his father. The coat his father gives to him can be saturated with
seas of the blood of the most savage of animals (and man too can be an
animal); but the very love and understanding that put the coat on his
back will also give him to power to rise above everyone and to be in
God's ways, which is wisdom, peace and forgiveness.

I am so saddened that you have been robbed of God's great wisdom and
have not come to know of these lessons of allegory and truth through
the lives of great men. Put Satan's (beastly) ways behind yourselves
and walk forward in Christ's light towards peace and a greater
understanding.

Don't claim revenge for Jews and Christians, vengeance is not the way
of forgiveness and it is not a coat we wear. In this time, in this
minute in the second let your Lord cleanse you with His blood. Be
forgiven of your wrongs and forgive others who wrong against you.
Become born into Christ's ways as a new person and stop this perpetual
and unforgiving way of life which teaches your children how to gain
their deaths.

In Christ's love
Carol T
narvikdesi
2004-11-11 06:13:28 UTC
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Most Hindus are against violence or harassment. Thanks, Nitin.
Mohmmad Kaffir
2004-11-11 07:33:25 UTC
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Should I stereotype that all muslims are morons based on the idiocy you
display on your post?
Post by 1MAN4ALL
Post by Carol T
Post by busharraf
Ma'm, its been 2000 years and we are still waiting......
He is still waiting for you, your children and their children. He
waits on the seed of goodness and understanding to grow in them which
you allow to be planted in them. God is a loving Father, He waits
patiently for you to come to His understanding and come back to Him
voluntarily and ready to start your new life.
You can receive His Holy Spirit 'now'. You can receive forgiveness
this moment through a prayer to seek your forgiveness. You can know
that from this moment on your life is a new life where you will use
your conscience and love of God to guide you into a different way of
thinking.
If you trust in Him and have faith, Jesus will give to you what your;
eye has not seen, ear has not heard, hand not touched and what has not
occurred in your mind before.
"that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power
of God. However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not
the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming
to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden
wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of
the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have
crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written: "Eye has not seen,
nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which
God has prepared for those who love Him." But God has revealed them to
us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the
deep things of God." New King James 1Corinthians 2:5-10
In Christ's love
Carol T
If Jesus were alive today, what would he say to Hindus who want to
demolish Muslim mosques and Christian churches in India; who have
burned hundreds, if not thousands, of Muslims alive; who have raped
Muslim women in Gujarat and Kashmir; who are a nuisance in this
newsgroup for more than ten years, sending filthy posts and calling
for violence against Muslims; and who are unable to listen to reason?
And if they still reject him, will he forgive them or promise them the
Lake of Fire?
Carol T
2004-11-11 17:15:06 UTC
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Post by 1MAN4ALL
If Jesus were alive today, what would he say to Hindus who want to
demolish Muslim mosques and Christian churches in India; who have
burned hundreds, if not thousands, of Muslims alive; who have raped
Muslim women in Gujarat and Kashmir; who are a nuisance in this
newsgroup for more than ten years, sending filthy posts and calling
for violence against Muslims; and who are unable to listen to reason?
And if they still reject him, will he forgive them or promise them the
Lake of Fire?
He forgives those who _truly_ repent of their sin, it is men who do
not know Christ's ways who do not forgive. People rise to these
terrible things through not knowing His ways and thinking, but it is
not for us to decide who is beyond forgiveness. If we do this we add
to our own and their veil before the Lord God.

We can come to know what makes God angry by knowing His Word in study,
and we can come to know the consequences of ignoring His Word, and
relay these consequences to others through prophecy.

I have seen posts calling for violence, but these have been born of
sins within ourselves, i.e. to want what our neighbours own
materially, to not be forgiving of sins against us, to illogically
perpetuate the sin of a forefather and so on.

Jesus gave us two commandments, to love God and to love our
neighbours. It's impossible to condemn someone we truly love, even if
that ultimatly costs us our life.

In Christ's love
Carol T
habshi
2004-11-12 01:42:16 UTC
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Just because his father was non existent God does not mean
that he should have adopted a life of looking after sheep and forget
about going to school .
None of the gospels mention any school or reading a book or
praising intellectuals instead of cheesmakers and manufacturers of
dairy products .
Hinduism is far better because it has a goddess of learning .
1MAN4ALL
2004-11-12 04:29:58 UTC
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Post by Carol T
Post by 1MAN4ALL
If Jesus were alive today, what would he say to Hindus who want to
demolish Muslim mosques and Christian churches in India; who have
burned hundreds, if not thousands, of Muslims alive; who have raped
Muslim women in Gujarat and Kashmir; who are a nuisance in this
newsgroup for more than ten years, sending filthy posts and calling
for violence against Muslims; and who are unable to listen to reason?
And if they still reject him, will he forgive them or promise them the
Lake of Fire?
He forgives those who _truly_ repent of their sin, it is men who do
not know Christ's ways who do not forgive. People rise to these
terrible things through not knowing His ways and thinking, but it is
not for us to decide who is beyond forgiveness. If we do this we add
to our own and their veil before the Lord God.
I sense a contradiction in your answer. In the first sentence you
stated that Christ "forgives those who _truly_ repent of their sin"
but you also leave out the possibility that even if they don't repent_
for crimes as big as murder and rape_ that Jesus may still forgive
them. Is Jesus just or not?
Post by Carol T
We can come to know what makes God angry by knowing His Word in study,
and we can come to know the consequences of ignoring His Word, and
relay these consequences to others through prophecy.
And that's exactly what I was getting at. Some Christians spread God's
love like honey to attract human flies but hide the fact that God has
promised eternal damnation for those who do evil and do not repent.
You need to tell it like it is.
Post by Carol T
I have seen posts calling for violence, but these have been born of
sins within ourselves, i.e. to want what our neighbours own
materially, to not be forgiving of sins against us, to illogically
perpetuate the sin of a forefather and so on.
I understand why they do these things. The problem is what to do to
stop them.
Post by Carol T
Jesus gave us two commandments, to love God and to love our
neighbours. It's impossible to condemn someone we truly love, even if
that ultimatly costs us our life.
But what about the rest of the commandments?
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2004-11-13 09:46:21 UTC
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He certainly forgive so that Christians can go on occupying other peoples
lands like the Muslims do. I see no difference between the two faiths.
Post by Carol T
Post by 1MAN4ALL
If Jesus were alive today, what would he say to Hindus who want to
demolish Muslim mosques and Christian churches in India; who have
burned hundreds, if not thousands, of Muslims alive; who have raped
Muslim women in Gujarat and Kashmir; who are a nuisance in this
newsgroup for more than ten years, sending filthy posts and calling
for violence against Muslims; and who are unable to listen to reason?
And if they still reject him, will he forgive them or promise them the
Lake of Fire?
He forgives those who _truly_ repent of their sin, it is men who do
not know Christ's ways who do not forgive. People rise to these
terrible things through not knowing His ways and thinking, but it is
not for us to decide who is beyond forgiveness. If we do this we add
to our own and their veil before the Lord God.
We can come to know what makes God angry by knowing His Word in study,
and we can come to know the consequences of ignoring His Word, and
relay these consequences to others through prophecy.
I have seen posts calling for violence, but these have been born of
sins within ourselves, i.e. to want what our neighbours own
materially, to not be forgiving of sins against us, to illogically
perpetuate the sin of a forefather and so on.
Jesus gave us two commandments, to love God and to love our
neighbours. It's impossible to condemn someone we truly love, even if
that ultimatly costs us our life.
In Christ's love
Carol T
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2004-11-13 09:39:59 UTC
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Really! What would he say to Muslims who have murdered and oppressed people
world wide not to mention 9/11?

What would Jesus say to Christians who have killed millions like the Muslims
and have done the same?

Looking at the map of the world we can see a map of violence and hatered by
"The people of the book".... North and South America, New Zealand,
Australia, etc.. occupied forcefully in the name of Christ.

Not to mention the invasion by Muslim hords of Iraq, Iran, India, etc...
Post by 1MAN4ALL
If Jesus were alive today, what would he say to Hindus who want to
demolish Muslim mosques and Christian churches in India; who have
burned hundreds, if not thousands, of Muslims alive; who have raped
Muslim women in Gujarat and Kashmir; who are a nuisance in this
newsgroup for more than ten years, sending filthy posts and calling
for violence against Muslims; and who are unable to listen to reason?
And if they still reject him, will he forgive them or promise them the
Lake of Fire?
Carol T
2004-11-14 01:42:57 UTC
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Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
What would Jesus say to Christians who have killed millions like the Muslims
and have done the same?<<<<<<<<<
Maybe, 'why do you call yourselves my followers, but walk toward
darkness?' But then again He might turn to you too and ask about the
darkness you are turned toward.

The smallest perceived sin may have the greatest impact on this
world. We can never know as we do not have God's eye to measure the
greatness of a sin. The simple bullying of a child in a playground can
fuel the fires which make a great statesmen who rights men's great
wrongs, and yet it could be the fuel of evil thoughts which ultimately
end the world 20 years later. The wrongs we see with our eyes are not
the wrongs God has seen. The wrongs God will right in the children who
follow His ways are unknown to us and pass us by peacefully.

We are all sinners in Christ's greater glory.

Condemnation of others ultimately condemns our own souls. This is
choosing death over life. Forgiveness of our own sin through Christ's
love frees us from this death.

In Christ's love
Carol T
Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2004-11-14 22:00:57 UTC
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Fuck Christ and the rest of you bastards.
Post by Carol T
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
What would Jesus say to Christians who have killed millions like the Muslims
and have done the same?<<<<<<<<<
Maybe, 'why do you call yourselves my followers, but walk toward
darkness?' But then again He might turn to you too and ask about the
darkness you are turned toward.
The smallest perceived sin may have the greatest impact on this
world. We can never know as we do not have God's eye to measure the
greatness of a sin. The simple bullying of a child in a playground can
fuel the fires which make a great statesmen who rights men's great
wrongs, and yet it could be the fuel of evil thoughts which ultimately
end the world 20 years later. The wrongs we see with our eyes are not
the wrongs God has seen. The wrongs God will right in the children who
follow His ways are unknown to us and pass us by peacefully.
We are all sinners in Christ's greater glory.
Condemnation of others ultimately condemns our own souls. This is
choosing death over life. Forgiveness of our own sin through Christ's
love frees us from this death.
In Christ's love
Carol T
Gulshan Khan
2004-11-14 22:13:23 UTC
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A little hindu nazi terrorist like you must be careful. The world do
not tolerate nazis...


Hinduism and Nazism brothers in arms and Gita the Nazi terror manual

http://www.trimondi.de/H-B-K/inhalt.hi.en.htm

Heinrich Himmler, SS Reich Commander, architect of mass murder and
admirer of Asian philosophy. A quotation from Himmler: “I marvel at
the wisdom of the founders of Indian religions.” Himmler was a
follower of the Buddhist doctrine of Karma and incarnation.

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:00:57 +1100, "Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri"
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
Fuck Christ and the rest of you bastards.
Post by Carol T
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
What would Jesus say to Christians who have killed millions like the
Muslims
Post by Carol T
Post by Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
and have done the same?<<<<<<<<<
Maybe, 'why do you call yourselves my followers, but walk toward
darkness?' But then again He might turn to you too and ask about the
darkness you are turned toward.
The smallest perceived sin may have the greatest impact on this
world. We can never know as we do not have God's eye to measure the
greatness of a sin. The simple bullying of a child in a playground can
fuel the fires which make a great statesmen who rights men's great
wrongs, and yet it could be the fuel of evil thoughts which ultimately
end the world 20 years later. The wrongs we see with our eyes are not
the wrongs God has seen. The wrongs God will right in the children who
follow His ways are unknown to us and pass us by peacefully.
We are all sinners in Christ's greater glory.
Condemnation of others ultimately condemns our own souls. This is
choosing death over life. Forgiveness of our own sin through Christ's
love frees us from this death.
In Christ's love
Carol T
narvikdesi
2004-11-12 11:43:58 UTC
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Post by 1Shiva
Below is an editorial (September) rant from a Paki newspaper. The
question is, whether or not to destroy the tomb of a murdering
swine-Muslim called Aurangzeb. The answer is quite clear: Destruction
and desecration of this animal's bones, is a light-hearted past-time,
compare to what this little piece of animal-doo-doo did in India.
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Destroying a tomb would cause riots, so doing so is not light-hearted,
but evil.

Evil intentions is no worse than doing something when you can foresee
evil consequences, intended or not.
Blue2000
2004-11-09 22:19:58 UTC
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Post by 1Shiva
Below is an editorial (September) rant from a Paki newspaper. The
question is, whether or not to destroy the tomb of a murdering
swine-Muslim called Aurangzeb. The answer is quite clear: Destruction
and desecration of this animal's bones, is a light-hearted past-time,
compare to what this little piece of animal-doo-doo did in India.
Clear answer?! Since when did vandalising tombs amount to clear
answers... Just when you think people can't get any lower....
1Shiva
2004-12-04 04:10:14 UTC
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Post by Blue2000
Post by 1Shiva
Below is an editorial (September) rant from a Paki newspaper. The
question is, whether or not to destroy the tomb of a murdering
swine-Muslim called Aurangzeb. The answer is quite clear: Destruction
and desecration of this animal's bones, is a light-hearted past-time,
compare to what this little piece of animal-doo-doo did in India.
Clear answer?! Since when did vandalising tombs amount to clear
answers... Just when you think people can't get any lower....
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Firstly, your Muslims friends are the people who savagely destroyed
not only Hindu tombs, but also the most sacred Hindu places of worship
like animals. Thus, your Muslim friends were responsible for giving us
Hindus, our ruthless view of Muslim human-life. You have only your
Muslims friends to blame for this. Please look back in history... As
you very well know.

Going by this chain of events, tombs, are nothing but a bunch of
decaying calcium-residue dumping-grounds. How in the world did that
come to matter, so much to you folks??!! It does nothing but occupy
space, and gives an otherwise panoramic area, a rather morbid look.

These dumping-grounds of useless humans, will be better used to serve
economical progress of *living* humans... Like building a mall or a
dance-club above it for young people to meet...

Now *that*, is a clear answer...
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Neil_Hindu_Sikh_Kashmiri
2004-12-06 07:18:49 UTC
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Shiva, while I agree with your sentiments I also have to point out that the
Muslims did this because of our foolishness. Was it not the fault of Hindus
to allow such things to occur in the first place? Today we are still going
along the same line and have not changed one bit.

Destroying the tomb will make no difference to us at all, in fact all we are
trying to do is eradicate a symbol of our cowdice, shame and lack of culture
and sprit that's all. The underlying problem remains and has not changed one
bit. We are far to afraid to do anything that will move us forward and to
change our view of ourselves, in that we are far too afraid to even teach
our history in schools as is. In fact the BJP revised the sylbus and no
sooner had they been voted out by the cowards of India the Congress has gone
back to the British version of our history.

That tomb should not be destroyed but in fact should symbolise our
collective cowardism and stupidty, ever generation should know the truth
about their forefathers and the weakness of our people. They should in fact
be given a simple choice and that is to live like cowards or to be brave and
re-establish their own, culture, faith and unity in the country. That is the
only choice they have. There maybe a Hindu India in the future there may not
be the choice is very simple.

No use blaming others for our faults and saying they did this that and the
other when we have not changed one bit in our additude! The real question
that should be asked is ... Should MUSLIMS spare Hindus?


1Shiva <***@Hotmail.com> wrote in message > Firstly, your Muslims friends
are the people who savagely destroyed
Post by 1Shiva
not only Hindu tombs, but also the most sacred Hindu places of worship
like animals. Thus, your Muslim friends were responsible for giving us
Hindus, our ruthless view of Muslim human-life. You have only your
Muslims friends to blame for this. Please look back in history... As
you very well know.
Zakky
2004-12-09 09:57:17 UTC
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IMO, only tombs that serve as museums or landmarks deserve to stay.
After a reasonable period of time, a grave should be razed, and tilled
into farmland*. Open ended allocation of land for long decomposed bones
is wasteful. I don't know if Afzal Khan qualifies as a major figure in
Indian history. If he does, and if there is an associated site, that
gives future generations some insight into history, then it's worth
preserving it. Similarly, if the site can be considered "world
heritage"(like Taj Mahal) it is worth preserving it.

-Z

*: I would certainly want such a rule to apply to my grave.
Post by 1Shiva
Below is an editorial (September) rant from a Paki newspaper. The
question is, whether or not to destroy the tomb of a murdering
swine-Muslim called Aurangzeb. The answer is quite clear: Destruction
and desecration of this animal's bones, is a light-hearted past-time,
compare to what this little piece of animal-doo-doo did in India.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Post by 1Shiva
Tomb under threat
S. M. HALI
Hard-line Hindus plan to tear down the controversial tomb of the 17th
century, of Moghul Emperor Aurangzeb Alamgir's Muslim general Afzal
Khan, in a grim echo of the 1992 razing of a mosque that sparked some
of India's worst religious riots. Afzal Khan, an envoy of the Moghul
monarch met Shivaji to initiate peace talks on the hillock where the
tomb - and the ruins of Shivaji's Pratapgadh fort - now lies.
The general met Shivaji, but the king, who had deceitfully hidden a
dagger in his sleeve, stabbed him and buried Afzal Khan where he fell.
A statue of Shivaji now also stands on the hill and a right-wing Hindu
political party is named after him - the Shiv Sena, or Shivaji's army.
Vyankatesh Abdeo, a leader of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), which
started the campaign, declared that "We will climb the hill and
demolish his tomb."
The campaign organizers say they will bring 30,000 people to the site.
But police have pledged to stop them from damaging the tomb and to
prevent any violence. Muslims consider the tomb holy, and for years,
several have traveled there. But a year ago authorities closed off the
site because of the controversy.
Organizers of the campaign against the tomb have not explained why
they are moving to destroy it now, after years of controversy. Feroze
"They are trying to build a momentum before elections. This shows that
there is total bankruptcy of ideas for right-wing parties in the
country." The renewed controversy comes as radical Hindu groups have
run alarm bells over census data released this week that appeared to
show a jump of almost 33 percent in the number of Muslims between 1991
and 2001.
Radical groups have long warned that higher Muslim birth rates could
eventually threaten India's Hindu majority - more than 80 percent of
the population. But the new figures were skewed by the inclusion of
Jammu and Kashmir, India's only Muslim majority state, in the 2001
census after it was left out in 1991 because of separatist violence.
Census officials on Thursday revised the growth rate to just over 29
percent, when adjusted for Kashmir.
The growth rate for Hindus was 20 percent over the same period.
India's long and varied history has left hundreds of places across the
country where Hindu and Muslim holy sites stand side by side,
sometimes triggering bloody conflicts.
In 1992, Hindu hardliners defied a court order and razed a 16th
century mosque which they said stood on the birthplace of the Hindu
lord-god Ram in the northern town of Ayodhya. That triggered India's
worst religious bloodshed since independence, killing about 3,000.
Vishwa Hindu Parishad Working President Ashok Singhal has tried to
justify the Gujarat riots. He gave a clean chit to Narenda Modi by
justifying the violence in the state following the Godhra carnage
saying it "had the blessings of Lord Rama". It may be noted that the
Gujarat carnage has been readmitted for hearing in Gujarat courts.
Mr. Singhal reiterated that the VHP would not rest and prepare for
'any sacrifice' till the Ram temple in Ayodhya was built. The Sangh
Parivar hopes to garner votes by threatening to demolish Afzal Khan's
tomb atop Pratapgadh fort in Satara district this Sunday. "We had
given an ultimatum to the state Government that if it did not
demolish
Post by 1Shiva
the objectionable construction then the job would be done by VHP and
Bajrang Dal activists", VHP International General Secretary Praveen
Togadia told reporters at Pune.
"Pratapgadh fort was a heritage that belonged to Chhatrapati Shivaji
and the unlawful construction at the tomb of a traitor was nothing but
an insult to every nationalist," the VHP leader said. Togadia also
attacked Prime Minister Manmohan Singh for his delayed pronouncement
that Veer Savarkar was a freedom fighter.
So far Shivaji has the status of an icon only in Mahrashtra. Hindutva
followers remember him for being the founder of Hindu rule in
opposition to the tyrannical Muslim rule (Hindu Padpadshahi). After
Gujarat riots and rise of Moditva (most rabid Anti-Muslim politics)
Mr. Togadia of VHP has been going round proclaiming that now their
politics is going to take up 'project Hindu Padpadshahi of
Shivaji',
Post by 1Shiva
in an effort to consolidate Hindu society.
A sad part of Shivaji's episode is that he was aided and abetted by
Muslims. When Shivaji was imprisoned in the Agra fort, his trusted
Muslim Lieutenant, Madari Mehtar assisted him escaping from the Agra
Fort. In his encounter with Afzal Khan, Shivaji was tipped off by a
Muslim Rustame Jaman. It has been meticulously documented as to how he
had a strong presence of Pathan soldiers in his army. Not only that,
many of his generals were Muslims, Darya Sarang was chief of armour,
Ibrahim Khan and Daulat Khan were prominent in his naval division,
Ibrahim Khan was chief of his cannon division. His confidential
secretary was Maulana Haider Ali.
It will be unfortunate if BJP and its allies carry out their heinous
task of demolishing Afzal Khan's tomb. Hindus have to accept the fact
that they cannot change the annals of history. They suffered defeats
at the hands of Babur and so many other Muslim rulers. Would they now
go about desecrating their tombs too and declaring them traitors? This
act of belligerence is nothing short of savagery and barbarism.
The writer is a retired Group Captain, currently a free lance
columnist
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