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INDIA ignoring genocide in BALOCHISTAN
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1Shiva
2004-08-24 12:00:25 UTC
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Is India going to ignore yet another Punjabi-Pakistani genocide of
Balochis? For India to ignore this holocauste, is to be as guilty as
the Punjabi-Paki perpetrators of this despicable crime.

It is rather amusing that the Indian Cong(I) govt which gets its
knickers in a knot over every time a Muslim trips and falls down in
India, has encouraged its family-cat to get its tongue, when it comes
to the genocide of Balochis in Pakistan.

If the pseudo-"secular" politicians of India have any kind of human
decency or the remotest "care" for Muslims, they will rise to this
genocide and help the Balochis to defend themselves against their
genocidal Punjabi-Pak slave-runners.

What the Pak newspaper reports below, is a fraction of the real
genocide of innocent people occuring in Balochistan

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From a Pak newspaper:

WAJID SHAMSUL HASAN
Pakistan's largest and resource-rich province - Balochistan - is on
the verge of an implosion. It is much similar to that of former East
Pakistan of 1971 when Bangla leader Sheikh Mujibur Rahman had been
fervently pleading for a political settlement of political issues
while the military junta under General Yahya had nothing else to offer
but a full-fledged army operation on war footing to the country's
majority population demanding its democratic rights. One of the
veteran Baloch leaders, Sardar Ataullah Mengal, has come out
forcefully against what he calls blatant invasion of his province by
the army unmindful of the wishes of the people and being inconsiderate
of the mounting problems that are being faced by them.
Speaking at a seminar the other day organized by the Pakistan
Oppressed Nations Movement (PONM) on constitutional, political,
economic and cultural exploitation of oppressed nations in the
perspective of facts and figures and its solution in the light of
international principles, former Chief Minister warned Musharraf junta
that the situation in Balochistan might lead to disintegration of the
country. And, according to him, it would be the military-led
government and not the nationalists who would be responsible for any
damage to the integrity of the country. He called upon the powers that
be to hang him for his resistance against what he claimed another
military operation in his province. "I will love to die for my own
people, my own land and my province".
Although very old and mild in temperament, the angry tenor and tune of
his warning seems to be a manifestation of the deep wounds of
exploitation and oppression inflicted on his people. His infuriated
words seem to be the sound of a death-knell and they had an undertone
telling the rulers to stop it before it is too late. Surely, Islamabad
would rush to brand it as outright rebellious, its under-current
reflected sincerity of purpose and a desire to save the situation much
similar to the pleadings by Sheikh Mujibur Rahman before he and the
majority population of the country was pushed into a irreversible
situation.
The message from him was clear: don't waste time, adopt right policies
rather than threaten Balochs with the language of guns, boom, disaster
and doom. By refusing to condemn those who were attacking military
personnel as freedom fighters, Sardar Mengal also appealed to all the
Sindhi, Baloch, Seraiki and Pakhtoon nationalists to "retaliate
against the army with stones if they were not in a position to take up
guns".
In his passionate speech Mengal was also very critical of the
Punjabis. According to him he had developed bitter feelings against
the Punjabis because they were helping the military to crush the
oppressed nations. He said he was being asked to declare the Baloch
warriors attacking troops in Balochistan as "terrorists". He reminded
his friends in Punjab that those who have taken up arms in Balochistan
had done so for their own protection— exercising their right to
self-defence — and as such they cannot be described as terrorists.
Mengal said if he could not fight against the armed forces with his
own hands because of his old age, it did not mean that he would
condemn those who were showing defiance and offering their lives for
the Baloch rights. "I am a honorable man and will never condemn the
retaliation by the Baloch people."
There cannot be two views that Pakistan's 1973 Constitution
unanimously adopted by the elected representatives of the people of
the four federating units, now distorted and disfigured beyond
recognition in favor of a unitary government by General Pervez
Musharraf to make himself all powerful through the controversial and
obnoxious 17th Amendment, has been made to lose its efficacy as the
unifier of the nation as designed by its framing fathers.
In the light of its present fractured shape, Sardar Mengal has a
justifiable point in assailing the present rulers who wrongly accuse
nationalists of violating the Constitution when Musharraf and his
coterie have been responsible for disparaging it. Not only that, by
violating it they have even committed an act of treason under Article
6 of the Constitution.
Time and again saner and patriotic elements in the country have been
warning the military establishment not to play with the 1973
Constitution. It is generally perceived that a grand document
conceived by the greatest political and constitutional brains of the
time had resolved the otherwise country-breaking question of the
quantum of provincial autonomy much to the satisfaction of the
federating units and that it cannot be rewritten.
By destroying the Constitution perhaps the greatest disservice has
been done by the rulers who have dealt a fatal blow to the very
integrity of the country. According to Sardar Mengal and many others
like him, the military junta has damaged the Constitution to such an
extent that now it was beyond correction and the country needed a new
Constitution based on the principle of equality.
Some leaders in Sindh are even suggesting, besides many other drastic
and radical provisions, that the new constitution, whenever it is
framed, should incorporate a clause that would give right to secession
to the smaller provinces in case of another coup or Punjabi military
take over in the country.
It is good to know that although very bitter Sardar Mengal has not yet
endorsed the proposed provision of secession in case of yet another
military take over. Voicing the aspirations of the smaller provinces,
Mengal says that the nationalists only are demanding democracy and
their right to govern themselves.
According to Sardar Mengal Balochistan was being developed now because
it suited the Punjabis and the military, as they want to make it a
colony of the army and federation. Referring to those from Punjab who
want a dialogue between Islamabad and Quetta, Sardar Mengal called
upon them that if they want to serve and save the country then they
should not offer to hold a dialogue with nationalist forces in
Balochistan. Instead, they should ask General Musharraf to hand over
power to the people. If the General does not do that "he will be held
responsible for the break up of the country."
Sardar Mengal has made his point for the need of a new constitution in
view of the fact that 1973 Constitution has ceased to be a document
that was designed to be the unifier of the federating units and had
panaceas to their socio-economic and political problems. It has now
ended up as a constitution full of distortions and a destroyer of the
nation, thanks to the 17th Amendment.
However, it was Pakhtoon leader Mahmood Khan Achakzai who hit the nail
right on the head at the historic PONM seminar. Achakzai's observation
pertains to the long-lasting issue that has remained unresolved since
the assassination of Pakistan's first Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan
at the hands of the power troika inherited from the British Raj.
Indeed, as Mahmud Achakzai put it, "time has come to decide as to who
is the ruler in Pakistan — its 140 million people or the million
strong army."
Like Mengal, Mahmud Achakzai, too, underscored that genuine
nationalists' demands must not be misconstrued as an act of rebellion
against the State. Rather, nationalists' point of view need be given a
serious thought in the correct perspective. Nationalists, according to
Achakzai, were the most peaceful people as they were struggling for
their right to govern themselves.
Mahmud Khan nailed the canard by the rulers and their media mongers
that the nationalists were traitors out there to destroy Pakistan.
According to him, nationalists are patriotic Pakistanis and they do
not want to break the country since Pakistan was their own motherland
and they were the sons of the soils.
However, he warned Islamabad's military establishment that the
nationalist forces have come to the conclusion that they would no more
accept the rule of only one powerful ethnic group that was supporting
the military establishment to keep others subjugated as it tried to do
in former East Pakistan.
Before water gets over the head, opinion makers in Punjab and others
including its politicians who matter, must lend their ears to the
nationalist voices from the smaller provinces. Their grievances
emanating from their growing sense of alienation, deprivation and rule
by might that considers itself right and above the general will of the
people, need to be listened to rather dismiss them as acts of treason
or revolt by a "handful of miscreants".
Leaders like Sardar Ataullah Mengal are a breed that is going extinct.
And we need to gratefully remember the time after the most ignominious
surrender by our drunkard generals in Dhaka when smaller provinces
were most conveniently placed to seek independence from an army that
had been handed a humiliating defeat by the Indian military.
Indeed, if the elected leadership of Balochistan, Sindh and NWFP
(Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, Khan Wali Khan, Mufti Mahmud, Mir Ghaus Bux
Bizenjo, Sardar Ataullah Mengal, Professor Ghafoor and others) had
sought to break away from Punjab or the federal Pakistan, then it
would have been all over without firing a shot since Pakistani
military establishment had ceased to exist.
Its generals, under pressure from their own Young Turks, were left
with no other option but to beg of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto to save the
residual Pakistan.
It was their sheer greatness and selflessness that those leaders
shunned independence for their provinces coming to them on the
platter. Not only that, they reaffirmed their faith in Quaid's
Pakistan by unanimously steering the Constitution Bill of 1973 to
national acceptability-as a document that resolved the question of the
quantum of provincial autonomy in which the federating units were to
enjoy more autonomy than enjoyed by the states in the United States of
America. The 1973 Constitution, indeed, had come to serve as a greater
binding force than religion. In accordance with the national
aspirations it also laid the foundation for fostering a unique
phenomenon of unity in diversity.
Had these leaders bickered and not joined heads and hands in framing
the Constitution of 1973, then the break up of the country would have
been a foregone conclusion sooner than later. And, it would have meant
for the 90,000 generals and soldiers of Pakistani military many years
of rotting in the Indian PoW camps. It would have also led to the
dismemberment of the heavy weight military establishment.
Since the situation in Balochistan is a fast ticking time bomb we
should remember the pertinent observation of American philosopher
George Santayana "that those who cannot remember the past are
condemned to repeat it." I am reminded of the historic letter of one
of the founding fathers of Pakistan, Hussain Shaheed Suhrawardy, from
his jail cell in Karachi to Field Marshal Ayub Khan. In that,
Suhrawardy had warned the then military dictator that by marginalizing
and destroying him in Pakistan's politics Ayub, in fact, was
destroying the last of the bridges that was keeping East and West
Pakistan together.
After him, indeed, was deluge. It seems General Pervez Musharraf is
hell-bent on repeating history. The sordid manner he has been trying
to destroy the only "Wafaq-ki-Zangeer" Benazir Bhutto and the
treatment as traitor of a great man like Sardar Ataullah seems almost
a scheme to fold up Pakistan. And God forbid, the on-going military
operation in Balochistan could possibly be the beginning of the end.
g***@gmail.com
2005-01-25 23:36:19 UTC
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I received the following message from Baloch leaders:

An Urgent Appeal to UNO Secretary General

Dear Secretary General,

We, Sindhis and Balochs, the two historical nations now under the
forcible occupation of Pakistan bring your immediate attention to our
plight, helplessness, slavery and worst human rights situation at the
hands of Punjabi civil and military establishment which controls
Pakistan to the total racial exclusion of all other nations.
From last fifty seven years, these two nations which constitute more
than 65% territory of Pakistan and collectively contribute 75% to the
total revenue of the state of Pakistan have been forced consciously
under an abject poverty and economic, cultural and physical genocide.

The basic social and political contract called Lahore Resolution of
1940 which guarantees the sovereign and autonomous status of all
nations in Pakistan under which Sindh was made to join Pakistan in 1947
stands mutilated, abrogated, violated and trampled by the militarily
powerful 28% Punjabi ethnic minority and 2% Indian immigrants.

It may be recalled that the state of Balochistan which was more
autonomous under British colonisation than at present never joined
Pakistan but was occupied forcibly by using Punjabi Air force jets in
1948. Other nations of Pakistan are Seraikistan and Pakhtoonistan.
Balwaristan has also been occupied by Pakistan.

As a result of this wanton transgression and violation of the sovereign
right of nations, Bengal, the biggest province, opted for independence
in 1971 after bloody warfare and genocide at the hands of Punjabi
military aided by its civil bureaucracy.

Recently, the military government of Pakistan has once again stepped up
the genocidal and colonial campaign in the province of Balochistan. It
is planning to settle Punjabi and Indian immigrants on the virgin land
of Balochistan on the pretext of development in order to turn Balochs
into minority on their own historical land.

Baloch people's peaceful struggle against this senseless colonisation
has been turned violent by arresting, torturing and killing hundreds of
Baloch students and political workers. A reign of terror has been let
loose upon the peaceful and innocent Baloch people whose only crime is
to resist occupation of their land with all possible means guaranteed
by International law.

You must be aware that these actions of Pakistani military junta are in
clear violation of international treaties and conventions which
guarantee every nation Right to self determination which includes the
right to have control over their resources.

The military Junta is openly violating its own law as well as
International covenant on civil and political Rights 1966,
International covenant on Economic, Social and cultural rights 1966,
International Convention on Racial discrimination 1966, Article 55 of
the UNO charter, convention against torture 1985 and countless
International treaties which forbid the uprooting of indigenous people
from their ancestral land.

Punjabi Military Junta, through its policy of extermination of Sindhis
and Balochs, has already stopped illegally the flow of Indus water
down-stream Sindh and Balochistan which has created a widespread
humanitarian crisis in both the provinces and the great Indus valley
civilization is under imminent threat.

It has recently engaged in an open and violent rape of an innocent
Sindhi Medical officer, Dr Shazia Khuwaja by a military officer who has
been declared above law and is being personally protected by military
Generals and unconstitutional military president himself.

This unconstitutional military President has openly threatened the
genocide of Baloch people with sophisticated weapons on state-run TV
and ordered its troops in large numbers to enter Balochistan and attack
innocent people on various pretexts.

The military Junta is illegally building big dams and canals upstream
despite of the consensual opposition of all four nations constituting
70% population of the country. These illegal dams are aimed at
strangulating Sindh and Balochistan economically and rendering their
precious lands into a virtual desert.

The military junta has robbed Sindh and Balochistan of its legitimate
income which constitutes 75% of the total annual Budget of Pakistan and
closed all doors of gainful employment to poor Sindhis and Balochs on
one pretext or other where poverty rate has skyrocketed to more than
60%!

These resources of Sindhis and Balochs are spent on the civil and
military industrial complex of this empire in order to create war-like
situation on this peaceful land of subcontinent to the detriment of
whole region. Military Junta is holding this whole region a hostage to
ransom which is being recovered from Sindh and Balochistan. It has
destroyed Afghanistan for its selfish irredentist motives by supporting
dark forces of history called Taliban.

Junta has created its own terrorist outfits in order to counter the
secular and democratic Sindhis and Balochs and loot and plunder their
resources in the name of Islam and Pakistan. Military Junta unashamedly
exploits religion in order to perpetuate its control over Sindh and
Balochistan. Its drama of religion is simply to rob Sindhis and
Balochs.

Unrepresentative and puppet governments have been imposed upon Sindh
and Balochistan through horse-trading and fraudulent electoral process
which is being remote-controlled from Islamabad. It has turned the
Federation into a virtual centralised and monolithic empire
concentrating all powers in centre and trampling even its own self-made
laws.

An institutional and conscious policy of racial discrimination has been
embedded by the central government to exclude Sindhis and Balochs from
all so-called Federal (central) goverment, semi-government and
autonomous institutions and both these nations which constitute 30%
population of Pakistan and give it 75% revenue have less than 2%
representation in the Federal Government!

We remind you that International Convention on racial discrimination
clearly states that "any discrimination on the basis of race, national
origin and language is totally outlawed". But the State of Pakistan is
violating this crucial international law with callous disregard. Its
laws and rules favour only ethnic minority of Punjabis which
predominantly controls military, civil bureaucracy, all Federal Govt
and even the Country's Cricket Team to the racial exclusion 70%
population of the country!

We may further remind you that when this situation was created by the
former racist Government of South Africa where white minority unleashed
racial discrimination against Black people, it was subjected to wider
international sanctions. Unfortunately, this State is being rewarded by
the international community. Perhaps, the blood of Sindhis and Balochs
is cheaper than South Africans though all human beings are equal.

We may bring to your kind attention that Cricket Team of South Africa
being all white was banned internationally but no such action seems to
have been taken when Pakistani Cricket Team for all practical purposes
is all Punjabi and Indian immigrant to the total exclusion of 70%
population of the country.

It is heinous international offence to perpetuate racial discrimination
against fellow human beings but this regime openly practices this crime
without any iota of shamefulness. As a result of this wholesale
apartheid Pakistan has been rightly nicknamed as 'Punjabistan' in
whole of South Asia.

This regime totally controls English and Urdu media and has created
iron curtain between itself and outside world. Sindhi and Baloch media
is under vicious state control. Any foreign journalists are either
intimidated or killed if they try to visit the country in order to know
the truth. The brutal and inhuman murder of Wall Street journalist,
Daniel pearl in 2002 by Pakistani agencies is a case in point.

We appeal your esteemed organisation being the conscience of the world
to take immediate notice of the cultural, economic, physical genocide
and worst racial discrimination against Sindhis and Balochs in
Pakistan.

We at the same time applaud your decision to put the name of Pakistan
among the countries capable of committing genocide in future which they
have already started.

It is high time to take cognizance of these grave violations of the
state and International law, otherwise it will be too late and the two
peaceful and proud nations will bear immeasurable human, physical,
cultural, economic and political cost, with international community
watching as a silent spectator.

We appeal you earnestly that this grave human rights and humanitarian
situation must be brought to the notice of UN Security Council,
esteemed General Assembly and UN Commissioner for Human Rights for
taking appropriate and strong action against the present military junta
in Pakistan.

Yours sincerely,

Sarosh Baloch
Secretary General
Sindhi Baloch International (SBI)

Signed by
Chairman
habshi
2005-01-26 13:43:53 UTC
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If Sindhis , Muhajirs , Baluchis reconverted to Hinduism , it would be a passive form of
protest and show the whole world they want to be independent or join India
t***@my-deja.com
2005-01-27 09:39:02 UTC
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""If Sindhis , Muhajirs , Baluchis reconverted to Hinduism ..""
Big IF. shows writers wishful thinking !!
Surinder Singh
2005-01-27 04:45:54 UTC
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Post by g***@gmail.com
An Urgent Appeal to UNO Secretary General
Dear Secretary General,
We, Sindhis and Balochs, the two historical nations now under the
forcible occupation of Pakistan bring your immediate attention to our
India should declare to Pakistan that it will not stand idly if military
actions against Balooch are undertaken. But Manmohan is no Indira.


-s
t***@my-deja.com
2005-01-27 09:43:46 UTC
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''"India should declare to Pakistan that it will not stand idly if
military
actions against Balooch are undertaken. ""

...that India is gone... for ever.... now only baniya style
international traders and commission agents are left fending the
statecraft, Singh ji !
I thought you knew !!
Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
2005-01-27 14:48:05 UTC
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:45:54 -0600, "Surinder Singh"
Post by Surinder Singh
Post by g***@gmail.com
An Urgent Appeal to UNO Secretary General
Dear Secretary General,
We, Sindhis and Balochs, the two historical nations now under the
forcible occupation of Pakistan bring your immediate attention to our
India should declare to Pakistan that it will not stand idly if military
actions against Balooch are undertaken. But Manmohan is no Indira.
For that you need 40 million Bengalis.LOL.... BTW ever heard of India
glowing green in the dark? May be you should first ask your govt why
it did 10 month hijra dance, demand 20 terrorist and wiggle & jiggle
its butt in the white house....
Post by Surinder Singh
-s
Surinder Singh
2005-01-28 05:59:31 UTC
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Post by Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
BTW ever heard of India
glowing green in the dark?
Yes, only from those who do not wish to see Pakistan exist.

As a western writer wrote: A Pakistan that uses nuclear weapons, is a
Pakistan that will cease to exist.

-s
Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
2005-01-28 14:15:17 UTC
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:59:31 -0600, "Surinder Singh"
Post by Surinder Singh
Post by Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
BTW ever heard of India
glowing green in the dark?
Yes, only from those who do not wish to see Pakistan exist.
And an indoo who knows the meaning of suicide.. 10 month long touchey
tamasha must tell you something...
Post by Surinder Singh
As a western writer wrote: A Pakistan that uses nuclear weapons, is a
Pakistan that will cease to exist.
Something dhoti don't want you to know why it ran with its tail
between its leg... of course with all 20 terrorist..

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More latter
Post by Surinder Singh
-s
Surinder Singh
2005-01-30 18:54:12 UTC
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Post by Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
http://home.cogeco.ca/~choot/futureindia.JPG
You may be excused for not answering the question, but the Pakistani
generals themselves do not answer the question: If/When Pakistan uses
nuclear weapons on India, what will happen next? What will India's response
be? What is the aim of using nuclear weapon on India and will it be
achieved?

Of course, the answer is what that western writer gave: A Pakistan that
uses nuclear weapons is a Pakistan that will cease to exist.

-s
Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
2005-01-30 19:01:12 UTC
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:54:12 -0600, "Surinder Singh"
Post by Surinder Singh
Post by Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
http://home.cogeco.ca/~choot/futureindia.JPG
You may be excused for not answering the question, but the Pakistani
generals themselves do not answer the question: If/When Pakistan uses
nuclear weapons on India, what will happen next? What will India's response
be? What is the aim of using nuclear weapon on India and will it be
achieved?
Of course, the answer is what that western writer gave: A Pakistan that
uses nuclear weapons is a Pakistan that will cease to exist.
-s
Seems like you are beating around the bush this question must be asked
from your own hijra govt as to why it ran with its tail between the
legs after doing hijra dance for 10 months and crowing 20 terrorist in
front of the white house......


Here is a tiny excerpt for you....there are plenty more, enjoy

By Sanjeev Miglani
NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Nearly five years after India and Pakistan
became nuclear powers, New Delhi is finally coming to terms with what
that status means -- the threat of a Pakistani first strike ­has
neutralized its conventional superiority.
Analysts say last year's inconclusive military standoff between the
neighbors highlighted what many had feared when the two conducted
tit-for-tat nuclear tests in 1998, that India would no longer dare go
to war with Pakistan.
"India has become a victim of nuclear blackmail," said C. Ra­ja Mohan,
strategic affairs editor at The Hindu newspaper.
So, unable to go back, India is copying the example of the U­nited
States and the former Soviet Union at the height of the Cold­ War,
building its nuclear deterrent to the point of mutually assu­red
destruction so that neither side would dare go nuclear.
Surinder Singh
2005-02-02 16:11:30 UTC
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Post by Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
Seems like you are beating around the bush this question must be asked
from your own hijra govt as to why it ran with its tail between the
legs after doing hijra dance for 10 months and crowing 20 terrorist in
front of the white house......
You are the one that raised the point about nuclear attack. Now you are
changing the topic. This indicates that you really have no answer.
Neither do your leaders.
Post by Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
Here is a tiny excerpt for you....there are plenty more, enjoy
[Irrelevant ranting deleted.]
-s
Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
2005-02-02 22:09:15 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:11:30 -0600, "Surinder Singh"
Post by Surinder Singh
Post by Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
Seems like you are beating around the bush this question must be asked
from your own hijra govt as to why it ran with its tail between the
legs after doing hijra dance for 10 months and crowing 20 terrorist in
front of the white house......
You are the one that raised the point about nuclear attack. Now you are
changing the topic. This indicates that you really have no answer.
Neither do your leaders.
Yes we will nuke your ass the moment you get out of line... here read
this and see if this helps you comprehend on how you got in line the
moment Pakis waved a nuclear chappal. Need more let me know, plenty
more where that came from.

By Sanjeev Miglani
NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Nearly five years after India and Pakistan
became nuclear powers, New Delhi is finally coming to terms with what
that status means -- the threat of a Pakistani first strike ­has
neutralized its conventional superiority.
Analysts say last year's inconclusive military standoff between the
neighbors highlighted what many had feared when the two conducted
tit-for-tat nuclear tests in 1998, that India would no longer dare go
to war with Pakistan.
"India has become a victim of nuclear blackmail," said C. Ra­ja Mohan,
strategic affairs editor at The Hindu newspaper.
So, unable to go back, India is copying the example of the U­nited
States and the former Soviet Union at the height of the Cold­ War,
building its nuclear deterrent to the point of mutually assu­red
destruction so that neither side would dare go nuclear.
Post by Surinder Singh
Post by Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
Here is a tiny excerpt for you....there are plenty more, enjoy
[Irrelevant ranting deleted.]
-s
Surinder Singh
2005-02-03 05:59:12 UTC
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Post by Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
Yes we will nuke your ass the moment you get out of line...
Unfortunately neither you nor your countrymen answer a simple question: What
will happen after that?
Post by Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
here read
this and see if this helps you comprehend on how you got in line the
moment Pakis waved a nuclear chappal. Need more let me know, plenty
more where that came from.
All I need is an answer to the question I posed. You can keep irrelevant
crap to yourself.

-s
t***@my-deja.com
2005-02-03 13:20:55 UTC
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""Unfortunately neither you nor your countrymen answer a simpl­e
question: What
will happen after that?""

if you think india would fare well think no more my
friend ! does'nt tsunami give you ideas ? a couple here
and there will finish major industrial sites in india which
YOU think are at distance from paki land. these are NOT.
and further, one nuke or two in higher reaches of lake mansover
in himlayas and entire indian irrigation system is "Kaput"
and for rest 1000 millions kind of slow death due to irradiated water
flowing down ganges, brahamputra, and rest !

so how does the size and larger populatin matter?
Both pakis and indis are equally vulnerable.
Surinder Singh
2005-02-04 04:43:28 UTC
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Post by t***@my-deja.com
""Unfortunately neither you nor your countrymen answer a simpl­e
question: What
will happen after that?""
if you think india would fare well think no more my
friend ! does'nt tsunami give you ideas ? a couple here
and there will finish major industrial sites in india which
YOU think are at distance from paki land. these are NOT.
and further, one nuke or two in higher reaches of lake mansover
in himlayas and entire indian irrigation system is "Kaput"
and for rest 1000 millions kind of slow death due to irradiated water
flowing down ganges, brahamputra, and rest !
so how does the size and larger populatin matter?
Both pakis and indis are equally vulnerable.
OK. Now tell us the following: Will India not retailiate with nuclear
weapons on Pakistan? How will Pakistan fare after those strikes?

-s
t***@my-deja.com
2005-02-04 22:32:21 UTC
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Shri Surendira says:-
""OK. Now tell us the following: Will India not retailiate with
nuclear
weapons on Pakistan? How will Pakistan fare after those strikes? ""

I have already said in my previous post that both ( india and
pakistan) are equally vulnerable.
Pakistan will be destroyed and its major cities reduced to rubbles.
Industry finished and economy vaporized.
What does india gain out of that scenario? Do you want
to capture intact and functioning Karachi port
and mineral resources or irradiated rubbles instead?
India would hardly recover even cost of the war !
Leave aside the delayed radiation nad ecological
hazzards facing india that would eventually
cripple it !!!!!!!!!!
§§ Blue Ice §§
2005-02-05 08:02:24 UTC
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Post by t***@my-deja.com
Shri Surendira says:-
""OK. Now tell us the following: Will India not retailiate with
nuclear
weapons on Pakistan? How will Pakistan fare after those strikes? ""
I have already said in my previous post that both ( india and
pakistan) are equally vulnerable.
Pakistan will be destroyed and its major cities reduced to rubbles.
Industry finished and economy vaporized.
What does india gain out of that scenario? Do you want
to capture intact and functioning Karachi port
and mineral resources or irradiated rubbles instead?
no one wants to capture pakistan and get all the troubles.
anywaz, there is going to be a ripple effect in halifax, canada, and u'd
run to join the gay allah army.
Post by t***@my-deja.com
India would hardly recover even cost of the war !
Leave aside the delayed radiation nad ecological
hazzards facing india that would eventually
cripple it !!!!!!!!!!
Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
2005-02-03 14:45:05 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:59:12 -0600, "Surinder Singh"
Post by Surinder Singh
Post by Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
Yes we will nuke your ass the moment you get out of line...
Unfortunately neither you nor your countrymen answer a simple question: What
will happen after that?
Post by Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
here read
this and see if this helps you comprehend on how you got in line the
moment Pakis waved a nuclear chappal. Need more let me know, plenty
more where that came from.
All I need is an answer to the question I posed. You can keep irrelevant
crap to yourself.
-s
How so every hindu Indian like to beat around the bush... All you
need to do is to read the folloing to find out why Pakis spared your
worthless ass... AND READ LOUD....

By Sanjeev Miglani
NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Nearly five years after India and Pakistan
became nuclear powers, New Delhi is finally coming to terms with what
that status means -- the threat of a Pakistani first strike ­has
neutralized its conventional superiority.
Analysts say last year's inconclusive military standoff between the
neighbors highlighted what many had feared when the two conducted
tit-for-tat nuclear tests in 1998, that India would no longer dare go
to war with Pakistan.
"India has become a victim of nuclear blackmail," said C. Ra­ja Mohan,
strategic affairs editor at The Hindu newspaper.
So, unable to go back, India is copying the example of the U­nited
States and the former Soviet Union at the height of the Cold­ War,
building its nuclear deterrent to the point of mutually assu­red
destruction so that neither side would dare go nuclear.
Surinder Singh
2005-02-04 04:45:04 UTC
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Post by Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
How so every hindu Indian like to beat around the bush... All you
need to do is to read the folloing to find out why Pakis spared your
worthless ass... AND READ LOUD....
Thanks for proving my point that Pakis are unable or unwilling to thing
about the aftermath of a nuclear attack on India. By posting irrelevant
idiocy you are proving my point again and again. I fully trust you to post
that article all over again, so go ahead and make my day.

-s
Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
2005-02-04 13:58:06 UTC
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On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:45:04 -0600, "Surinder Singh"
Post by Surinder Singh
Post by Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
How so every hindu Indian like to beat around the bush... All you
need to do is to read the folloing to find out why Pakis spared your
worthless ass... AND READ LOUD....
Thanks for proving my point that Pakis are unable or unwilling to thing
about the aftermath of a nuclear attack on India.
Thanks for the confession that given paki shining uranium rod you ran
with your tail between the legs of course with 20
terrorist...LOL...... Legacy of last 1ik haJaar saal.

By posting irrelevant
Post by Surinder Singh
idiocy you are proving my point again and again. I fully trust you to post
that article all over again, so go ahead and make my day.
I am confident that you will beat around the bush and go back to your
moronic logic and do not answer the question.. But that is part of
your genetic make up nothing out of the ordinary.
Post by Surinder Singh
-s
§§ Blue Ice §§
2005-02-05 08:03:55 UTC
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Post by Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:45:04 -0600, "Surinder Singh"
Post by Surinder Singh
Post by Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
How so every hindu Indian like to beat around the bush... All you
need to do is to read the folloing to find out why Pakis spared your
worthless ass... AND READ LOUD....
Thanks for proving my point that Pakis are unable or unwilling to thing
about the aftermath of a nuclear attack on India.
Thanks for the confession that given paki shining uranium rod you ran
with your tail between the legs of course with 20
terrorist...LOL...... Legacy of last 1ik haJaar saal.
By posting irrelevant
Post by Surinder Singh
idiocy you are proving my point again and again. I fully trust you to post
that article all over again, so go ahead and make my day.
I am confident that you will beat around the bush
That bush is yr uncle, gullu bete. not far from toronto, where u r
heading a sleeing al-quaida cell.
Post by Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
and go back to your
moronic logic and do not answer the question.. But that is part of
your genetic make up nothing out of the ordinary.
Post by Surinder Singh
-s
Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
2005-02-05 14:37:20 UTC
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On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 15:03:55 +0700, §§ Blue Ice §§
Post by §§ Blue Ice §§
Post by Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:45:04 -0600, "Surinder Singh"
Post by Surinder Singh
Post by Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
How so every hindu Indian like to beat around the bush... All you
need to do is to read the folloing to find out why Pakis spared your
worthless ass... AND READ LOUD....
Thanks for proving my point that Pakis are unable or unwilling to thing
about the aftermath of a nuclear attack on India.
Thanks for the confession that given paki shining uranium rod you ran
with your tail between the legs of course with 20
terrorist...LOL...... Legacy of last 1ik haJaar saal.
By posting irrelevant
Post by Surinder Singh
idiocy you are proving my point again and again. I fully trust you to post
that article all over again, so go ahead and make my day.
I am confident that you will beat around the bush
That bush is yr uncle, gullu bete. not far from toronto, where u r
heading a sleeing al-quaida cell.
And Putin must be your pitha ji... LOL,.....Humping devadasis is not a
crime in the west...
Post by §§ Blue Ice §§
Post by Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
and go back to your
moronic logic and do not answer the question.. But that is part of
your genetic make up nothing out of the ordinary.
Post by Surinder Singh
-s
s***@concert.com
2005-02-05 01:43:22 UTC
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now smell this in REAL GOOD .... pafart, pafoot, pappoot
Gulshan Khan (wada-Sain)
2005-02-05 01:42:10 UTC
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papapoopoopoopoopoopoop, pafafafafafartototototo,,
part fart part fart part fart, (don't worry, gulalalalala
khanAt will shortly phar the ghand of poo poo poo poojari AGAIN. lol)
ooohhhh POOPbir your poo poo poo poojari pitha tell you true story of
khanat CUM khanat do poo poo poo poojari cunt in sHomnath 17 time
sHtraight. LOL... Do you only send your mommy to UAE and now to Nepal
or do your poo poo poo poojari pitha ji also go there? :)

Now OINK
choday ravan roay ram choday khanat roay baghwan
hare om baba hare om
g***@gmail.com
2005-01-30 22:21:45 UTC
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Why do you always attribute rationality where none may exist?
Rationality has to be established, not presumed.

Some Islamist general may love the idea of going to heaven having
killed a lot of 'kafirs'.. in which case it may be irrelevant to them
if Pakistan therefore ceases to exist or they may believe in divine
intervention to protect Pakistan.

Peace,

Gul Agha
t***@my-deja.com
2005-01-30 22:35:21 UTC
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""Rationality has to be established, not presumed. ...
......Some Islamist general may love the idea of going to heaven
h­aving
killed a lot of 'kafirs'....in which case it may be irrelevant to them
if Pakistan
therefore ceases to exists..."
Is rationality based on ifs,buts,may and mights?
Surinder Singh
2005-02-02 16:15:47 UTC
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Post by g***@gmail.com
Why do you always attribute rationality where none may exist?
Rationality has to be established, not presumed.
Some Islamist general may love the idea of going to heaven having
killed a lot of 'kafirs'.. in which case it may be irrelevant to them
if Pakistan therefore ceases to exist or they may believe in divine
intervention to protect Pakistan.
Yes, you are right Agha Ji. I was indeed searching for rationality. If
an individual or a group individuals choose a course of action, unless they
are completely lunatic, then there must be some aim they want to achieve.
All I can gather from the Pakistani nuclear threat to attack India is that
neither the leaders nor the public want to contemplate what will happen
after the attack. The absence of any thought to it indicates complete
lunacy.

-s
t***@my-deja.com
2005-01-28 16:23:48 UTC
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Suridera says:-
""As a western writer wrote: A Pakistan that uses nuclear weapons, is a

Pakistan that will cease to exist.."

...an outdated observation. For last 50 years or so, none of the atomic
powers have
till now resorted to strategic/ tactical use of nuclear weapons. Why
single out and yell about pakis?
Surinder Singh
2005-01-30 18:55:21 UTC
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Post by t***@my-deja.com
...an outdated observation. For last 50 years or so, none of the atomic
powers have
till now resorted to strategic/ tactical use of nuclear weapons. Why
single out and yell about pakis?
Pakistanis are the ones threatening to use Nuclear weapons on India. Ask
them why they are saying this when, according to you, no nuclear weapon
state has used it in the last 50 years.

-s
t***@my-deja.com
2005-01-26 00:10:36 UTC
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To Shri Shiva !

Why cant you see through the game? here is one such situation where
entrepreunal spirit of brahiminis is at its zenith. Just hold your
breath and see how
it spectates the unfolding scenario from side lines salivating in
anticipation of unhindered oil flow from Iran to India to enable later
to lay claim to status of super economic behemoth of the century ! So
no use shedding tears ( crocodile or otherwise) on this issue once you
answer this question which is :- what is of greater importance to
India, Balochs or its own economic development?
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