Post by jdeluisePost by lo yeeOnIn 2011, before Hillary Clinton managed to get Qaddafi killed while he
was running for his life. "saving civilian lives" is conspicuously
absent in this briefing for Secretary Clinton [from her own private
"Instead, the great fear reported is that Libya might lead North
Africa into a high degree of economic independence with a new
pan-African currency."
So, Europe and Hillary were worried so much about Qaddafi's Libya
trying to lead Africa into a high degree of economic independence with
a new pan-African currency that they bombed the country into a pile of
rubble and created an army of orphans who would rather die for ISIS.
So, Libya has become yet another failed state at the hands of the
neocons while at the same time a transit point for homeless Africans
and Middle Easterners to find peace in Europe, risking drowning and
Funny you should mention Qaddafi. Here's what Trump said about Libya...
"Qaddafi in Libya is killing thousands of people, nobody knows how bad
it is, and we're sitting around," Trump said. "We should go in, we
should stop this guy, which would be very easy and very quick. We
could do it surgically, stop him from doing it, and save these lives."
and
"if you don't get rid of Qaddafi, it's a major, major black eye for
this country."
and
"I would go in and take the oil â I would just go in and take the oil,
We don't know who the rebels are, we hear they come from Iran, we hear
they're influenced by Iran or al-Qaeda, and, frankly I would go in, I
would take the oil â and stop this baby stuff." He would later say, "I'm
only interested in Libya if we take the oil. If we don't take the oil,
I'm not interested."
But Trump is no warhawk according to you...
No citations, no dates, just claims. I don't know that he ever said
these things. But during the campaign, Trump has repeatedly said we
should not have gone to wars in Libya, Iraq, and the Middle East.
So, Trump said some conditionals. If you give me a million dollars, I
would do this or that. But if you don't, I wouldn't. It means
nothing in terms of what he would do. And this is precisely the kind
of things that have stumped those who can't think logically. So, not
surprisingly, the neocons, who are no dummies and who have no desire
to have a new guy in the White House who won't take their orders - no
matter how cruel and rooten these orders are - are so wary about a
Trump presidency.
That Trump is no warhawk is not just my assessment, or in your words,
"according to" me. Even a much, much more influential opinion body
called the New York Times Editorial Board said the same thing. When
are you going to acknowledge that fact?
I will always remember what Trump told the ten year old boy in the eve
of the New Hampshire primary who asked him about his plan for NASA.
Trump basically said that we need money to rebuild our country. If he
was a liar like G W Bush, he would have instead promised the moon,
saying something that's comforting, like most politicians do, like he
would ask Congress to fund a Mars mission and made the boy, and many
in the audience happy. But no, he did'nt do that.
And interestingly, Ars Technica came out with an article later, that
essentially gave Trump a positive appraisal.
"His reply can legitimately be described as thoughtful but does not
bode well for NASA's troubled Journey to Mars program,"
http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/05/trump-before-going-to-mars-america-needs-to-fix-its-economy/
Trump is by all account, a moderate and appears to be sincere as he
talks about his vision for America.
But Trump has an enormous obstacle to overcome, which is the neocons.
Nobody should underestimate the neocons who have been able to drag
America into doing all those heinous things around the world in the
last 15 or 16 years.
So as I have repeatedly said, we may never have a chance to see Trump
get to that stage. So, it's not clear why you are so obssessed about
my opinions, which are well-known to be anti-war and which typically
come with plenty of citations to back up my credibility?
lo yeeOn
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Since we're here, we might as well show you what the latest Wikileaks
haul will be able to show us about the real purpose of Hillary Clinton
and her neocon masters' R2P mission.
Regime Change in Libya was a R2P mission? From Wikileaks' Hillary
private server email haul, we learn that saving civilian lives is
conspicuously absent from the briefing. Instead, the great fear
reported is that Libya might lead North Africa into a high degree of
economic independence with a new pan-African currency.
It's not about "saving countless lives" as Obama told the American
people about his war crimes committed in Libya. It's about stopping
Africa from achieving greater economic independence, with Qaddafi's
gold-based pan-African currency exchange. But what did Obama know?
He didn't have the spies to provide him with the latest intelligence
as Hillary Clinton did. Hillary had her own private consultant such
as Sidney Blumenthal. Hillary worked it out with France's Sarkozy
before the "lead-from-behind" chief knew anything about his "R2P"
mission. Even his speech to the nation has been vetted by Hillary's
team before he read it to the people!
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/5660
From: H <***@clintonemail.com >
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 7:42 PM
To: '***@state.gov'
Subject: Re: EMBARGOED: The President's Address to the Nation on Libya
-- As Prepared for
Delivery
That's much improved and I think without any of the problems that
worried us.
. . .
Of course, Obama should be impeached for letting someone under his
employ run wild and delegating American foreign policy of such grave
magnitude as destroying a sovereign country to his foreign secretary.
But, of course, he knew also that he wouldn't be president had he not
agreed to let Hillary take control of that department so vital to the
neocons' core interests - in order for Hillary to agree to step aside
in 2008. So America lost again, when someone allows his or her own
personal ambition to get ahead of people's well being and peace abroad
and at home.
And it's amazing to see the ease of floating crude propaganda to
launch a war of such grave consequences.
From the article "Hillary Emails Reveal True Motive for Libya
Intervention" by Brad Hoff:
The Ease of Floating Crude Propaganda
Though this internal email [from Hillary's private consultant Sid
Blumenthal] aims to summarize the motivating factors driving
France's (and by implication NATO's) intervention in Libya,
it is interesting to note that saving civilian lives is
conspicuously absent from the briefing.
Instead, the great fear reported is that Libya might lead North
Africa into a high degree of economic independence with a new
pan-African currency.
French intelligence "discovered" a Libyan initiative to freely
compete with European currency through a local alternative, and this
had to be subverted through military aggression.
lo yeeOn
Hillary Emails Reveal True Motive for Libya Intervention
by Brad Hoff January 6, 2016
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/01/06/new-hillary-emails-reveal-true-motive-for-libya-intervention/
Newly disclosed emails show that Libya's plan to create a gold-backed
currency to compete with the euro and dollar was a motive for NATO's
intervention.
The New Year's Eve release of over 3,000 new Hillary Clinton emails
from the State Department has CNN abuzz over gossipy text messages,
the "who gets to ride with Hillary" selection process set up by her
staff, and how a "cute" Hillary photo fared on Facebook.
But historians of the 2011 NATO war in Libya will be sure to notice a
few of the truly explosive confirmations contained in the new emails:
admissions of rebel war crimes, special ops trainers inside Libya from
nearly the start of protests, Al Qaeda embedded in the U.S. backed
opposition, Western nations jockeying for access to Libyan oil, the
nefarious origins of the absurd Viagra mass rape claim, and concern
over Gaddafi's gold and silver reserves threatening European currency.
Hillary's Death Squads
A March 27, 2011, intelligence brief [archived here] on Libya, sent by
long time close adviser to the Clintons and Hillary's unofficial
intelligence gatherer, Sidney Blumenthal, contains clear evidence of
war crimes on the part of NATO-backed rebels. Citing a rebel commander
source "speaking in strict confidence" Blumenthal reports to Hillary
[emphasis mine]:
Under attack from allied Air and Naval forces, the Libyan Army troops
have begun to desert to the rebel side in increasing numbers. The
rebels are making an effort to greet these troops as fellow Libyans,
in an effort to encourage additional defections.
(Source Comment: Speaking in strict confidence, one rebel commander
stated that his troops continue to summarily execute all foreign
mercenaries captured in the fighting...).
While the illegality of extra-judicial killings is easy to recognize
(groups engaged in such are conventionally termed "death squads"), the
sinister reality behind the "foreign mercenaries" reference might not
be as immediately evident to most.
While over the decades Gaddafi was known to make use of European and
other international security and infrastructural contractors, there is
no evidence to suggest that these were targeted by the Libyan rebels.
There is, however, ample documentation by journalists, academics, and
human rights groups demonstrating that black Libyan civilians and
sub-Saharan contract workers, a population favored by Gaddafi in his
pro-African Union policies, were targets of "racial cleansing" by
rebels who saw black Libyans as tied closely with the regime.[1]
Black Libyans were commonly branded as "foreign mercenaries" by the
rebel opposition for their perceived general loyalty to Gaddafi as a
community and subjected to torture, executions, and their towns
"liberated" by ethnic cleansing. This is demonstrated in the most
well-documented example of Tawergha, an entire town of 30,000 black
and "dark-skinned" Libyans which vanished by August 2011 after its
takeover by NATO-backed NTC Misratan brigades.
These attacks were well-known as late as 2012 and often filmed, as
this report from The Telegraph confirms:
After Muammar Gaddafi was killed, hundreds of migrant workers from
neighboring states were imprisoned by fighters allied to the new
interim authorities. They accuse the black Africans of having been
mercenaries for the late ruler. Thousands of sub-Saharan Africans have
been rounded up since Gaddafi fell in August.
It appears that Clinton was getting personally briefed on the
battlefield crimes of her beloved anti-Gaddafi fighters long before
some of the worst of these genocidal crimes took place.
Al-Qaeda and Western Special Forces Inside Libya
The same intelligence email from Sydney Blumenthal also confirms what
has become a well-known theme of Western supported insurgencies in the
Middle East: the contradiction of special forces training militias
that are simultaneously suspected of links to Al Qaeda.
Blumenthal relates that "an extremely sensitive source" confirmed that
British, French, and Egyptian special operations units were training
Libyan militants along the Egyptian-Libyan border, as well as in
Benghazi suburbs.
While analysts have long speculated as to the "when and where" of
Western ground troop presence in the Libyan War, this email serves as
definitive proof that special forces were on the ground only within a
month of the earliest protests which broke out in the middle to end of
February 2011 in Benghazi.
By March 27 of what was commonly assumed a simple "popular uprising"
external special operatives were already "overseeing the transfer of
weapons and supplies to the rebels "including a seemingly endless
supply of AK47 assault rifles and ammunition".
Yet only a few paragraphs after this admission, caution is voiced
about the very militias these Western special forces were training
because of concern that, "radical/terrorist groups such as the Libyan
Fighting Groups and Al Qa'ida in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) are
infiltrating the NLC and its military command."
The Threat of Libya's Oil and Gold to French Interests
Though the French-proposed U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973
claimed the no-fly zone implemented over Libya was to protect
civilians, an April 2011 email [archived here] sent to Hillary with
the subject line "France's client and Qaddafi's gold" tells of less
noble ambitions.
The email identifies French President Nicholas Sarkozy as leading the
attack on Libya with five specific purposes in mind: to obtain Libyan
oil, ensure French influence in the region, increase Sarkozy's
reputation domestically, assert French military power, and to prevent
Gaddafi's influence in what is considered "Francophone Africa".
Most astounding is the lengthy section delineating the huge threat
that Gaddafi's gold and silver reserves, estimated at "143 tons of
gold, and a similar amount in silver", posed to the French franc
(CFA) circulating as a prime African currency. In place of the noble
sounding "Responsibility to Protect" (R2P) doctrine fed to the public,
there is this "confidential" explanation of what was really driving
the war [emphasis mine]:
This gold was accumulated prior to the current rebellion and was
intended to be used to establish a pan-African currency based on the
Libyan golden Dinar. This plan was designed to provide the Francophone
African Countries with an alternative to the French franc (CFA).
(Source Comment: According to knowledgeable individuals this quantity
of gold and silver is valued at more than $7 billion. French
intelligence officers discovered this plan shortly after the current
rebellion began, and this was one of the factors that influenced
President Nicolas Sarkozy's decision to commit France to the attack on
Libya.)
Though this internal email aims to summarize the motivating factors
driving France's (and by implication NATO's) intervention in Libya, it
is interesting to note that saving civilian lives is conspicuously
absent from the briefing.
Instead, the great fear reported is that Libya might lead North Africa
into a high degree of economic independence with a new pan-African
currency.
French intelligence "discovered" a Libyan initiative to freely compete
with European currency through a local alternative, and this had to be
subverted through military aggression.
The Ease of Floating Crude Propaganda
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De-Dollarization: The Story of Gaddafi's Gold-Backed Currency is Not
Over
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160317/1036485001/gaddafi-gold-story.html
A declassified email exchange between former US Secretary of State
Hillary Clinton and her adviser Sid Blumenthal shows that Clinton was
up to her eyeballs in the Western conspiracy against Libyan leader
Muammar Gaddafi and his Pan-African "Gold Dinar" currency, F. William
Engdahl narrates.
A recently declassified email from the illegal private server used by
ex-Secretary of State and Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary
Clinton during the Washington-orchestrated war against Muammar Gaddafi
sheds some light on the US establishment's genuine motivation.
"In a newly declassified Clinton email from Sid Blumenthal to
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton dated April 2, 2011, Blumenthal
reveals the reason that Gaddafi must be eliminated," F. William
Engdahl, American author, researcher and risk strategic consultant,
writes in his article for New Eastern Outlook.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160317/1036485001/gaddafi-gold-story.html#ixzz4AH4yXl3O
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Published on Mar 18, 2016
Sub for more: http://nnn.is/the_new_media | Sputnik reports, A
declassified email exchange between former US Secretary of State
Hillary Clinton and her adviser Sid Blumenthal shows that Clinton was
up to her eyeballs in the Western conspiracy against Libyan leader
Muammar Gaddafi and his Pan-African "Gold Dinar" currency, F. William
Engdahl narrates.