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India To Put More "Combat Worthy" Troops From HQ in Front Lines
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Byker
2019-03-08 20:42:52 UTC
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https://indianexpress.com/article/india/army-to-put-more-combat-worthy-officers-from-hq-at-forward-units-pulwama-attack-5616597/
Army to put more combat-worthy officers from HQ at forward units
The development comes in wake of heightened tension between India and
Pakistan following the February 14 Pulwama terror attack in which 40 CRPF
personnel were killed.
That must've really smarted when the IAF lost a MiG-21 to a Pakistani F-16.
This was the first aerial clash between the two rivals in nearly five
decades, leaving observers dumbfounded. While the challenges faced by
India's armed forces are not secret, its loss of a plane to a country whose
military is about half the size and receives a quarter of the funding was
still telling.

India's armed forces are in alarming shape. If a full-blown war broke out
tomorrow, India could supply its troops with only ten days of ammunition,
according to government estimates and nearly three-quarters of the Army's
equipment is so old it is officially considered "vintage". Their troops lack
modern equipment but have to conduct 21st-century military operations.
Indian forces are vastly underfunded and the country's army, navy, and air
force tend to compete rather than work together.

It is not just a question of how much India spends on its military but how
it spends it. The majority of the money goes to salaries for its 1.2 million
active duty troops as well as pensions. Only a third will be used to buy new
hardware at a time when modern armies are investing hugely in upgrading
their intelligence and technical capabilities.

In the meantime, yet another geriatric MiG-21 has pranged:
https://tinyurl.com/yycuzcmz


Byker
2019-03-08 20:43:08 UTC
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Hard to say at this point. The situation will have to
escalate some more before we know.
The tone of the article suggests that a lot of the Indian
military really is NOT "military" - but positions offered to
family/friends ... useless in a crisis.
This sort of weakness increases the chances of nuclear
war. With nothing conventional to offer, nukes are the
only fallback option.
Meanwhile, Pakistan continues to be dominated by
nationalist/Islamic extremists. Expect their influence
to increase.
There may be no way out of this.
In the next Indo-Paki war, whoever runs low on men and materiel first will
be sorely tempted to reach for the nuclear button. The following scenario is
the best I've seen yet. I archived the text a few years ago so it wouldn't
be lost forever if the link went dead (it's still good):
http://bill-purkayastha.blogspot.com/2013/08/armageddon-india-pakistan-war-of-2019.html
Incubus
2019-03-11 10:06:19 UTC
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Post by Byker
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/army-to-put-more-combat-worthy-officers-from-hq-at-forward-units-pulwama-attack-5616597/
Army to put more combat-worthy officers from HQ at forward units
The development comes in wake of heightened tension between India and
Pakistan following the February 14 Pulwama terror attack in which 40 CRPF
personnel were killed.
That must've really smarted when the IAF lost a MiG-21 to a Pakistani F-16.
This was the first aerial clash between the two rivals in nearly five
decades, leaving observers dumbfounded. While the challenges faced by
India's armed forces are not secret, its loss of a plane to a country whose
military is about half the size and receives a quarter of the funding was
still telling.
India's armed forces are in alarming shape. If a full-blown war broke out
tomorrow, India could supply its troops with only ten days of ammunition,
according to government estimates and nearly three-quarters of the Army's
equipment is so old it is officially considered "vintage". Their troops lack
modern equipment but have to conduct 21st-century military operations.
Indian forces are vastly underfunded and the country's army, navy, and air
force tend to compete rather than work together.
Obviously all the aid money that Britain donates is going on the wrong causes
such as their space programme...
Fred J. McCall
2019-03-11 14:33:54 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Post by Byker
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/army-to-put-more-combat-worthy-officers-from-hq-at-forward-units-pulwama-attack-5616597/
Army to put more combat-worthy officers from HQ at forward units
The development comes in wake of heightened tension between India and
Pakistan following the February 14 Pulwama terror attack in which 40 CRPF
personnel were killed.
That must've really smarted when the IAF lost a MiG-21 to a Pakistani F-16.
This was the first aerial clash between the two rivals in nearly five
decades, leaving observers dumbfounded. While the challenges faced by
India's armed forces are not secret, its loss of a plane to a country whose
military is about half the size and receives a quarter of the funding was
still telling.
India's armed forces are in alarming shape. If a full-blown war broke out
tomorrow, India could supply its troops with only ten days of ammunition,
according to government estimates and nearly three-quarters of the Army's
equipment is so old it is officially considered "vintage". Their troops lack
modern equipment but have to conduct 21st-century military operations.
Indian forces are vastly underfunded and the country's army, navy, and air
force tend to compete rather than work together.
Obviously all the aid money that Britain donates is going on the wrong causes
such as their space programme...
Since the UK provides ZERO aid to the Indian government, that is how
much of it they spend on military matters.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
Incubus
2019-03-11 15:04:08 UTC
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Post by Fred J. McCall
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Post by Byker
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/army-to-put-more-combat-worthy-officers-from-hq-at-forward-units-pulwama-attack-5616597/
Army to put more combat-worthy officers from HQ at forward units
The development comes in wake of heightened tension between India and
Pakistan following the February 14 Pulwama terror attack in which 40 CRPF
personnel were killed.
That must've really smarted when the IAF lost a MiG-21 to a Pakistani F-16.
This was the first aerial clash between the two rivals in nearly five
decades, leaving observers dumbfounded. While the challenges faced by
India's armed forces are not secret, its loss of a plane to a country whose
military is about half the size and receives a quarter of the funding was
still telling.
India's armed forces are in alarming shape. If a full-blown war broke out
tomorrow, India could supply its troops with only ten days of ammunition,
according to government estimates and nearly three-quarters of the Army's
equipment is so old it is officially considered "vintage". Their troops lack
modern equipment but have to conduct 21st-century military operations.
Indian forces are vastly underfunded and the country's army, navy, and air
force tend to compete rather than work together.
Obviously all the aid money that Britain donates is going on the wrong causes
such as their space programme...
Since the UK provides ZERO aid to the Indian government, that is how
much of it they spend on military matters.
Your dishonest attempt to move the goalposts is noted. The Department for
International Development planned to give £52m in 2018/2019 and £46m in
2019/2020. It might not all go directly to the Indian government but sensible
people understand that we are spending money that the Indian Government should
be providing while they are focussing on other projects instead.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/723160/India-July-2018.pdf
Fred J. McCall
2019-03-12 09:44:09 UTC
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Post by Fred J. McCall
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Post by Byker
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/army-to-put-more-combat-worthy-officers-from-hq-at-forward-units-pulwama-attack-5616597/
Army to put more combat-worthy officers from HQ at forward units
The development comes in wake of heightened tension between India and
Pakistan following the February 14 Pulwama terror attack in which 40 CRPF
personnel were killed.
That must've really smarted when the IAF lost a MiG-21 to a Pakistani F-16.
This was the first aerial clash between the two rivals in nearly five
decades, leaving observers dumbfounded. While the challenges faced by
India's armed forces are not secret, its loss of a plane to a country whose
military is about half the size and receives a quarter of the funding was
still telling.
India's armed forces are in alarming shape. If a full-blown war broke out
tomorrow, India could supply its troops with only ten days of ammunition,
according to government estimates and nearly three-quarters of the Army's
equipment is so old it is officially considered "vintage". Their troops lack
modern equipment but have to conduct 21st-century military operations.
Indian forces are vastly underfunded and the country's army, navy, and air
force tend to compete rather than work together.
Obviously all the aid money that Britain donates is going on the wrong causes
such as their space programme...
Since the UK provides ZERO aid to the Indian government, that is how
much of it they spend on military matters.
Your dishonest attempt to move the goalposts is noted.
Your outright lie is noted.
Post by Incubus
The Department for
International Development planned to give £52m in 2018/2019 and £46m in
2019/2020. It might not all go directly to the Indian government ...
In fact precisely NONE of it goes either directly or indirectly to the
Indian government. Speaking of folks dishonestly 'moving the
goalposts' and all.
Post by Incubus
... but sensible
people understand that we are spending money that the Indian Government should
be providing while they are focussing on other projects instead.
You mean like their providing more to other countries in foreign aid
than they receive in total?
Post by Incubus
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/723160/India-July-2018.pdf
Did you not even bother to read your own cite? Which part of
"investing in" vice "aid to" is it that you don't understand?
--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain
Incubus
2019-03-12 09:54:27 UTC
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Post by Byker
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/army-to-put-more-combat-worthy-officers-from-hq-at-forward-units-pulwama-attack-5616597/
Army to put more combat-worthy officers from HQ at forward units
The development comes in wake of heightened tension between India and
Pakistan following the February 14 Pulwama terror attack in which 40 CRPF
personnel were killed.
That must've really smarted when the IAF lost a MiG-21 to a Pakistani F-16.
This was the first aerial clash between the two rivals in nearly five
decades, leaving observers dumbfounded. While the challenges faced by
India's armed forces are not secret, its loss of a plane to a country whose
military is about half the size and receives a quarter of the funding was
still telling.
India's armed forces are in alarming shape. If a full-blown war broke out
tomorrow, India could supply its troops with only ten days of ammunition,
according to government estimates and nearly three-quarters of the Army's
equipment is so old it is officially considered "vintage". Their troops lack
modern equipment but have to conduct 21st-century military operations.
Indian forces are vastly underfunded and the country's army, navy, and air
force tend to compete rather than work together.
Obviously all the aid money that Britain donates is going on the wrong causes
such as their space programme...
Since the UK provides ZERO aid to the Indian government, that is how
much of it they spend on military matters.
Your dishonest attempt to move the goalposts is noted.
Your outright lie is noted.
I'm just stating what I see. Your need to call it a lie speaks volumes.
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Incubus
The Department for
International Development planned to give £52m in 2018/2019 and £46m in
2019/2020. It might not all go directly to the Indian government ...
In fact precisely NONE of it goes either directly or indirectly to the
Indian government. Speaking of folks dishonestly 'moving the
goalposts' and all.
I was in fact referring to your movement of the goalposts. It doesn't matter
whether the money goes directly to the government or not; it is still foreign
aid and over the two-year period I quoted, we have paid the same sum that their
lunar probe, Chandrayaan-2 did cost.
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Incubus
... but sensible
people understand that we are spending money that the Indian Government should
be providing while they are focussing on other projects instead.
You mean like their providing more to other countries in foreign aid
than they receive in total?
All of which rather invites the question of why we are giving any form of
foreign aid to them at all.
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Incubus
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/723160/India-July-2018.pdf
Did you not even bother to read your own cite? Which part of
"investing in" vice "aid to" is it that you don't understand?
"Investing" is a known as a euphemism for foreign aid by all but the most
blinkered or naive. Some even call direct foreign aid paid to a government to
be a form of investment due to the conditions that will be attached.
Fred J. McCall
2019-03-12 14:05:22 UTC
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Post by Fred J. McCall
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Post by Byker
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/army-to-put-more-combat-worthy-officers-from-hq-at-forward-units-pulwama-attack-5616597/
Army to put more combat-worthy officers from HQ at forward units
The development comes in wake of heightened tension between India and
Pakistan following the February 14 Pulwama terror attack in which 40 CRPF
personnel were killed.
That must've really smarted when the IAF lost a MiG-21 to a Pakistani F-16.
This was the first aerial clash between the two rivals in nearly five
decades, leaving observers dumbfounded. While the challenges faced by
India's armed forces are not secret, its loss of a plane to a country whose
military is about half the size and receives a quarter of the funding was
still telling.
India's armed forces are in alarming shape. If a full-blown war broke out
tomorrow, India could supply its troops with only ten days of ammunition,
according to government estimates and nearly three-quarters of the Army's
equipment is so old it is officially considered "vintage". Their troops lack
modern equipment but have to conduct 21st-century military operations.
Indian forces are vastly underfunded and the country's army, navy, and air
force tend to compete rather than work together.
Obviously all the aid money that Britain donates is going on the wrong causes
such as their space programme...
Since the UK provides ZERO aid to the Indian government, that is how
much of it they spend on military matters.
Your dishonest attempt to move the goalposts is noted.
Your outright lie is noted.
I'm just stating what I see. Your need to call it a lie speaks volumes.
I call it a lie because that's what it is. Your avoiding the facts
speaks volumes.
Post by Incubus
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Incubus
The Department for
International Development planned to give £52m in 2018/2019 and £46m in
2019/2020. It might not all go directly to the Indian government ...
In fact precisely NONE of it goes either directly or indirectly to the
Indian government. Speaking of folks dishonestly 'moving the
goalposts' and all.
I was in fact referring to your movement of the goalposts.
Which I did not move. Hence my characterizing your remarks as a lie.
Post by Incubus
It doesn't matter
whether the money goes directly to the government or not; it is still foreign
aid and over the two-year period I quoted, we have paid the same sum that their
lunar probe, Chandrayaan-2 did cost.
And if you call a tail a leg you can claim dogs have 5 legs.
Post by Incubus
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Incubus
... but sensible
people understand that we are spending money that the Indian Government should
be providing while they are focussing on other projects instead.
You mean like their providing more to other countries in foreign aid
than they receive in total?
All of which rather invites the question of why we are giving any form of
foreign aid to them at all.
All of which is rather a different case than your current whinge.
Speaking of which, why crying about India? Why not complain about
folks that really get aid from you, like Pakistan?
Post by Incubus
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Incubus
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/723160/India-July-2018.pdf
Did you not even bother to read your own cite? Which part of
"investing in" vice "aid to" is it that you don't understand?
"Investing" is a known as a euphemism for foreign aid by all but the most
blinkered or naive. Some even call direct foreign aid paid to a government to
be a form of investment due to the conditions that will be attached.
Given that you want to redefine the English language so you can whine,
I think we're done here.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
Incubus
2019-03-12 14:53:58 UTC
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Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Incubus
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Incubus
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Incubus
Post by Byker
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/army-to-put-more-combat-worthy-officers-from-hq-at-forward-units-pulwama-attack-5616597/
Army to put more combat-worthy officers from HQ at forward units
The development comes in wake of heightened tension between India and
Pakistan following the February 14 Pulwama terror attack in which 40 CRPF
personnel were killed.
That must've really smarted when the IAF lost a MiG-21 to a Pakistani F-16.
This was the first aerial clash between the two rivals in nearly five
decades, leaving observers dumbfounded. While the challenges faced by
India's armed forces are not secret, its loss of a plane to a country whose
military is about half the size and receives a quarter of the funding was
still telling.
India's armed forces are in alarming shape. If a full-blown war broke out
tomorrow, India could supply its troops with only ten days of ammunition,
according to government estimates and nearly three-quarters of the Army's
equipment is so old it is officially considered "vintage". Their troops lack
modern equipment but have to conduct 21st-century military operations.
Indian forces are vastly underfunded and the country's army, navy, and air
force tend to compete rather than work together.
Obviously all the aid money that Britain donates is going on the wrong causes
such as their space programme...
Since the UK provides ZERO aid to the Indian government, that is how
much of it they spend on military matters.
Your dishonest attempt to move the goalposts is noted.
Your outright lie is noted.
I'm just stating what I see. Your need to call it a lie speaks volumes.
I call it a lie because that's what it is. Your avoiding the facts
speaks volumes.
You can put your fingers firmly in your ears and reiterate "Liar!" all you
like. It just makes you look childish. As for the facts, see below if you
want those.
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Incubus
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Incubus
The Department for
International Development planned to give £52m in 2018/2019 and £46m in
2019/2020. It might not all go directly to the Indian government ...
In fact precisely NONE of it goes either directly or indirectly to the
Indian government. Speaking of folks dishonestly 'moving the
goalposts' and all.
I was in fact referring to your movement of the goalposts.
Which I did not move. Hence my characterizing your remarks as a lie.
You certainly did move them and that is inherently dishonest, unless of course
you are American and rely on the more simplistic definition in use on that side
of the Atlantic.
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Incubus
It doesn't matter
whether the money goes directly to the government or not; it is still foreign
aid and over the two-year period I quoted, we have paid the same sum that their
lunar probe, Chandrayaan-2 did cost.
And if you call a tail a leg you can claim dogs have 5 legs.
I quoted from the Department for International Development - a government body
that overseas something called foreign aid:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_for_International_Development

"The Department for International Development (DFID) is a United Kingdom
government department responsible for administering overseas aid."

"Although the Department for International Development’s foreign aid budget
was not affected by the cuts outlined by the Chancellor of the Exchequer’s 2010
spending review..."
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Incubus
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Incubus
... but sensible
people understand that we are spending money that the Indian Government should
be providing while they are focussing on other projects instead.
You mean like their providing more to other countries in foreign aid
than they receive in total?
All of which rather invites the question of why we are giving any form of
foreign aid to them at all.
All of which is rather a different case than your current whinge.
Speaking of which, why crying about India? Why not complain about
folks that really get aid from you, like Pakistan?
Perhaps you have a short memory span but if you look back in the thread, the
subject of India's defence spending came up.
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Incubus
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Incubus
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/723160/India-July-2018.pdf
Did you not even bother to read your own cite? Which part of
"investing in" vice "aid to" is it that you don't understand?
"Investing" is a known as a euphemism for foreign aid by all but the most
blinkered or naive. Some even call direct foreign aid paid to a government to
be a form of investment due to the conditions that will be attached.
Given that you want to redefine the English language so you can whine,
I think we're done here.
I'm actually using the definition that the UK government uses. If you can't
understand government policy and the role of the DfID then it certainly looks
like you're done here.

Next time, why not try and understand what is being discussed? All you had to
do was look up the Department for Internaional Development and you could have
saved all that egg on your face.
Fred J. McCall
2019-03-12 22:14:13 UTC
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Incubus <***@gmail.com> wrote on Tue, 12 Mar 2019 14:53:58
-0000 (UTC):

I'm sorry, but you're far too stupid and dishonest to bother with
further.

<plonk>
--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain
Incubus
2019-03-13 09:39:04 UTC
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Post by Fred J. McCall
I'm sorry, but you're far too stupid and dishonest to bother with
further.
<plonk>
By all means run away if you have no further argument. I also note that you
snipped the entire thread which showed that you are wrong.

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