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The Iraq war was "a disaster" and "a disservice to humanity" - Trump told the American people at last night's GOP presidential debate
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lo yeeOn
2015-12-17 01:18:46 UTC
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Here's Trump for Lady Hillary's lovers in America:

The Iraq war was worse than "Oh, it's not worth it" but rather "a
disaster" and "a disservice to humanity", according to the Donald!

lo yeeOn

Donald Trump issued a remarkably blunt denunciation of the Iraq War
during the debate Updated by Andrew Prokop on December 16, 2015, 12:20
p.m. ET
http://www.vox.com/2015/12/16/10296032/donald-trump-gop-debate-iraq-war

Midway through the GOP debate Tuesday night, Republican poll leader
Donald Trump offered a blunt and brutal denunciation of the last
Republican president's main foreign policy initiative - the Iraq War.

Indeed, Trump went further even than most Democratic politicians
would, calling the war "a tremendous disservice to humanity" - and
added that it achieved nothing whatsoever, except to leave the Middle
East "a total and complete mess." Here's what he said:

"We've spent $4 trillion trying to topple various people that,
frankly, if they were there and if we could have spent that $4
trillion in the United States to fix our roads, our bridges, and all
of the other problems - our airports and all the other problems we
have - we would have been a lot better off, I can tell you that
right now.

We have done a tremendous disservice not only to the Middle East -
we've done a tremendous disservice to humanity. The people that
have been killed, the people that have been wiped away - and for
what? It's not like we had victory. It's a mess. The Middle East is
totally destabilized, a total and complete mess. I wish we had the 4
trillion dollars or 5 trillion dollars. I wish it were spent right
here in the United States on schools, hospitals, roads, airports,
and everything else that are all falling apart!"

As Matt Yglesias pointed out on Tuesday, this, like much of what Trump
says, exists outside the bounds of normal political discourse. Even
for Democrats who criticize the Iraq War, it's considered gauche to
say that so many veterans died and were injured for nothing (though
many likely believe this in their hearts).

And even those Republicans who now think the war was a mistake would
hesitate to call it "a tremendous disservice to humanity." Beyond
that, they certainly wouldn't suggest the money spent on the war could
have been plowed into increasing domestic spending, which they
generally argue won't improve things.

Yet again, Trump has identified an opportunity left open by the
polarized two-party system. By pairing his tough rhetoric and persona
and avowed nationalism with various efforts to play to Americans'
racial anxieties on immigration and terrorism, he can convincingly
tell conservatives the Iraq War has been a disaster. And here again,
he may come off to voters as more honest and straight-talking than the
other candidates.
Steve Hayes
2015-12-17 03:41:19 UTC
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Neither Iraq nor America are in Africa.

Why are the geographicvally challenged always posting in
soc.culture.african?
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jdeluise
2015-12-17 07:49:00 UTC
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Post by lo yeeOn
And here again,
he may come off to voters as more honest and straight-talking than the
other candidates.
Still no response to Trump's comments about "taking their oil for us",
"taking out terrorist's families", etc.

:)
jdeluise
2015-12-18 21:53:43 UTC
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Post by lo yeeOn
Yet again, Trump has identified an opportunity left open by the
polarized two-party system. By pairing his tough rhetoric and persona
and avowed nationalism with various efforts to play to Americans'
racial anxieties on immigration and terrorism, he can convincingly
tell conservatives the Iraq War has been a disaster. And here again,
he may come off to voters as more honest and straight-talking than the
other candidates.
When Trump was asked his take on Putin's murdering of journalists, he
stated "He’s running his country and at least he’s a leader, unlike what
we have in this country." So in effect he equates killing one's own
people in order to silence them to "running a country" and an example of
fine leadership.
TT
2015-12-18 23:41:07 UTC
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Post by jdeluise
When Trump was asked his take on Putin's murdering of journalists,
Interesting question... it's factual but I don't think proven.
Post by jdeluise
he stated "He’s running his country and at least he’s a leader, unlike what
we have in this country." So in effect he equates killing one's own
people in order to silence them to "running a country" and an example of
fine leadership.
Wow. Leadership = dictatorship
Democrats could have a field day with his statements in debates... let's
hope he gets through as republican candidate...

If not for anything else then for political theatre.

How does Fox news "like" trump? If this was a democrat candidate giving
statements like this he would be slaughtered.

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